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To: JasonC

"Um, sorry, that is incoherent. The wireless network is either configured for open access, or it requires a key."

Um... sorry but THAT is silly. By your definition, anything that isn't nailed down is free for the taking. My gas grill isn't welded to the porch and the cover isn't locked, but you don't have permission to use it. The same is true for my wireless network, whether it is open or requires a key. I pay for the service, so the service belongs to me.

Try this model instead: If somebody else paid for it, it isn't yours unless and until they give you permission to use it.

When I was young, we didn't have to lock our doors and most people left their keys in their cars. Your attitude put an end to those times.


81 posted on 02/25/2007 6:25:19 AM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: Poser
By your definition, anything that isn't nailed down is free for the taking.

You misunderstand. Permission IS requested AND granted. It's as if there's a sign on your gas grill saying "yes, you may use this" - and your grill is sitting on the public sidewalk. The router configurably broadcasts its availability - that's an offer of service, which can trivially be shut off.

Additionally, the wireless network at the library in question IS set up SPECIFICALLY for public use.

It is also common practice (unlike with gas grills) to leave wireless networks open for public access. Mine is open.

84 posted on 02/25/2007 7:31:53 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Poser
Again, your router is giving permission to use it. If you have an unsecured router, you have installed a device which is giving away what you've paid for. If you don't want to give it away, you need to make sure you're router isn't handing it out. That's purely your responsibility.

Again, the router is broadcasting. You're not leaving your keys in your car - you're actively placing them in my house on my living room table. There's a difference between an unlocked door and a herald shouting "Come on in!" which is essentially what a router does.

85 posted on 02/25/2007 7:36:06 AM PST by Obi-Wandreas (Dedicated to the shameless pursuit of silliness)
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To: Poser
Ignorant nonsense. When you deliberately check the box that says "require no further permission from me to use this", you are explicitly giving anyone permission to use it. If you don't want them to, you check the box that says "require further permission from me to use this" i.e. a WEP key. It is crazy to deliberately configure it for open access and then object to people accessing it - why on earth did you pick open rather than secure in the first place?

It is not a physical object that you have to lock up or people can walk off with it. If is only open if you deliberately configure it to be.

92 posted on 02/25/2007 10:36:19 AM PST by JasonC
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