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US generals ‘will quit’ if Bush orders Iran attack
The Sunday Times (U.K.) ^ | 02/25/07 | Michael Smith and Sarah Baxter

Posted on 02/24/2007 4:37:37 PM PST by Pokey78

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To right, mop 'em up in Iran then onto North Korea. In fact while on the way relieve Pakistan of their nuclear capability too. After all they supplied Iran and North Korea with the equipment to process the nuclear material. Come to think of it who let them(the Pakistanis) keep their bomb in the first place? Oh yeah, the Bush administration. I'm clearly confused.






241 posted on 02/25/2007 1:27:01 PM PST by NickW
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To: billbears

Perhaps it was a misunderstanding, as well as the vagueness of your original post. Now, that you have written in a more detailed manner, of course I agree with you.


242 posted on 02/25/2007 3:04:16 PM PST by nopardons
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To: muawiyah

"The attack on the Pentagon DID NOT BRING WASHINGTON DC TO A HALT."

I was in downtown Washington DC between the White House and the Capitol on 9/11. I don't know what you experienced but I can personally testify to panic in the streets as terrified commuters fled the city, causing a massive traffic jam. The confusion and fear on the street was palpable. People were shouting to get on buses, acting irrationally. A high-level individual in our organization caused a scandal by abandoning his female associate on Capitol Hill in a rush to get out of there. Our building was on lockdown and we were told to be prepared to spend the night as noone knew what was happening or what other attacks might occur.


243 posted on 02/25/2007 3:22:50 PM PST by tjd1454
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To: Pokey78

General John Kerry and General Michael Moore...


244 posted on 02/25/2007 3:24:12 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: tjd1454
They were not "terrified". Governement employees were directed by official orders to LEAVE THE CITY.

The purpose was to allow the military and public safety personnel easy access to any other sites of possible attack.

I was here. I obeyed orders. I was back at work the next day at 6 AM.

245 posted on 02/25/2007 3:30:23 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: nopardons

Looking back on the post I agree it was a bit vague. But I have to say I still believe those we are talking about have had enough and will seek to achieve a diplomatic solution to Iran through back channels. The possibilities that it could have on the markets are too dire to be allowed to move forward unchecked. I would say most likely something of the order in North Korea but the differences are large enough between the two nations (prior humanitarian and food supports to NK from our government that Iran did not enjoy as one example) that it may be something else. That being said, I see Iran coming out of this with some form of nuclear capibilities (borderline peaceful/military). Which begs the question does the US government allow the Iraqi government to eventually achieve the same standard? Secondly if Iraq is truly a sovereign nation as US officials claim will it really be any of our business?


247 posted on 02/25/2007 4:15:04 PM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: billbears
I hope there is a diplomatic solution, but nuclear weapons in the hands of Iran cannot be part of that solution. I wouldn't overestimate Iran's ability to disrupt shipping in the Straits of Hormuz. They tried to disrupt shipping back in the 80s and the US Navy stopped that activity very quickly and decisively. I doubt that Iran could disrupt shipping for more than a few weeks. There's no way we will have an extended war with Iran, because we already have two extended wars going on now. But if Iran insists on building a nuclear arsenal, that could lead to airstrikes and quick raids by ground forces, followed by a short Naval battle to keep the Straits of Hormuz open.

Personally I think NATO is in Afghanistan more because of Iran than because of Al Qaeda. We could have destroyed Al Qaeda's bases in Afghanistan and then left rather than NATO staying there. I think we stayed there to use Afghanistan as a base for quick raids against Iran over the next 20-50 years if that kind of action becomes necessary.

248 posted on 02/25/2007 4:56:07 PM PST by defenderSD (Holds the San Diego high school football record for most interceptions by a slow white guy.)
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To: balch3

Mutiny? No, that would make them appear to me martyrs for the glorious cause of Peace. Instead charge 'em with Conduct Unbecoming An Officer. Hold Court Martials reduce 'em in rank and discharge 'em with extream dishonor.

Put a nasty lil stain on their service record to show everyone what worthless cowards they are.


249 posted on 02/25/2007 5:10:01 PM PST by GLH3IL (This so called 're-deployment' is really a vote catching program. General Patton - 1944)
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To: Perdogg

Bust 'em down before booting 'em! You don't get to pick and choose wars! This isn't a buffet! Insubordination is punishable under the UCMJ no matter what rank! This is conduct unbecoming an officer.


250 posted on 02/25/2007 5:14:16 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Dishonor the uniform is dishonor to the country! Prosecute!)
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To: oneamericanvoice

Actually, we are talking staff officers here, and their resignations would not be considered desertion. Nazi officers were convicted at Nurembourg for saying they had to follow certain orders. The judges said no, they should have resigned. Of course, the Third Reich would have considered such a resignation a shooting offense, on the spot, I would imagine.

American staff officers who don't care for an operation should resign, we don't want them around anyway.

All that said, the article is complete BS, so none of this matters, other than as something to discuss.

Now field officers is a different story, in that case you would be correct, it would be a court martial offense to attempt to resign in the field upon being given an order.


251 posted on 02/25/2007 5:21:40 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Boycott all Leftist Media, ignore them and they will go away...)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Of course, it wouldn't be desertion. But insubordination at the very least. I agree that we wouldn't want them around anyway. If they want to put conditions on their service, then demote and discharge. Or refuse their resignation, and send them back to officers school.


252 posted on 02/25/2007 5:52:41 PM PST by oneamericanvoice
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To: billbears
We are now in more or less agreement; though with a few caveats.

Should Iran be "allowed" to have some kind of nuclear capabilities, Saudi Arabia, Qatar (sp?), the United Arab Emmerits, Kuwait, will all want to go nuclear as well. They are all sacred of Iran and the Mullahs.

It really isn't up to just the USA. The BIG BOYS in the nuke club, all think that they should have a world or three about who else has them too. Remember the "noise" about India and Pakistan, when each got nukes?

253 posted on 02/25/2007 8:51:49 PM PST by nopardons
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To: balch3

Are sure that is a good idea? What happens if a democrat wins in 2008?


254 posted on 02/25/2007 8:57:13 PM PST by erton1
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To: Pokey78

Who keeps saying that we are going to invade Iran? My bad MSM, GW has never mentioned this but according to Iranians we are at their front gate. This is so stupid.


255 posted on 02/25/2007 8:59:36 PM PST by lndrvr1972
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To: Pokey78
I smell an MSM rat. There is zero chance of a Saddam-style ground invasion of Iran. It's a bigger and more populous country and we don't have the troops.

But there's no need to invade Iran. We can stop its nuclear weapons program and cripple its economy with air strikes and some spec ops and Navy on installations in the Gulf. Why would we invade?

256 posted on 02/25/2007 9:04:57 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Pokey78

Huh? When you retire, you request retirement. You don't just quit. When you are retired you are subject to recall to active duty in time of war. These nameless Generals need to review the oath they took.


257 posted on 02/25/2007 9:44:28 PM PST by ONEBYEONE
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To: Parrot_was_devastating; potlatch; devolve; Grampa Dave
DEATH FROM THE SKY

Click on the woman, maximize the image,
check the bombs displayed on the strut, and
Mahmoud Rat Boy, picture YOUR NAME HERE

258 posted on 02/25/2007 9:45:20 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Pokey78
OH PLEASE, Generals train there whole life for a combat role and then walk out? These guys live for live combat, no matter what the odds they will stay. Besides, according to the press we would have thousands of casualties when we went after Saddam Husein, both times.
259 posted on 02/25/2007 9:48:13 PM PST by Exton1
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To: Pokey78
One thing is for sure, and we would be stupid not to learn from our mistakes.

If we DO attack Iran, we damned well better have the facts 100% incontrovertibly right, our intelligence rock solid, and such a massive, quick and unmerciless plan of attack, mop up and occupation/reconstruction that any remaining Iranian Revolutionary resistance will last no longer than a fortnight at most, rather than nearly four years of bogged down, garrisoned, IED, guerilla warfare and suicide bomb attack crap like we've had now in Iraq, which has facilitated a major split in the country and fed the likes of anti-patriotic, anti-troop CNN.

Our troops deserve it. Victory, absolute and unconditional at that, or don't go in at all.

260 posted on 02/25/2007 10:34:38 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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