Posted on 02/23/2007 4:45:14 PM PST by maui_hawaii
Here's my prediction. Don Federer will not receive an invitation to the Romney campaign Christmas party. (By the way, will I get one?) The pro-family leader ripped Romney on the marriage issue the other day saying that Romney could have done a whole lot more to prevent same sex marriage in Massachusetts after the infamous Goodrich decision handed down by the Massachusetts Supreme Court. You can read about it here.
Now the Romney campaign has come back in full battle mode. Kevin Madden, his spokesman tells the Brody File that:
"The Governor did everything in his power and went beyond just a symbolic gesture in his effort to preserve traditional marriage! He launched a drive for a constitutional amendment that would be guaranteed by a vote of the people, thereby protecting it from activist courts. Governor Romney fought for a long-term permanent defense of the institution of marriage with the participation of the people of the state."
And this coming in today to The Brody File from Jay Sekulow who litgated the Goodrich case:
"He did everything possible and feasible under Massachusetts law. You have to look at what's practible and feasible in that state. He did everything possible to defend marriage."
Sekulow goes on to make the point that you need to put this in proper context. It's not like Romney was Governor in Alabama which has a state constitution that gives the Governor more power and flexibility. In Massachusetts, it's a much different climate which needed a much different approach.
David French is a constitutional litigator for a major Christian public interest legal organization and has been following this issue for awhile. He says:
"Don Federer is a good guy (in fact, Ive worked with him on other matters), but hes just flat-out wrong on the gay marriage issue."
French defends Romney in a rebuttal that you can read read here.
Here's a highlight:
"If such silly legal arguments didn't cause so much harm, I would read them and laugh. Instead, some serious people seem to be taking these arguments seriously, so let me take a moment for a little bit of constitutional law 101.
The court did not order the legislature to do anything--it merely stayed its judgement for 180 days for the legislature to take action that it deemed "appropriate." However, since the marriage laws had already been interpreted (construed) to include same-sex marriage, the legislature did not have to take any action at all for same-sex marriage to become legal. It was already legal because of the court's decision.
Frankly, it is sad that so many could be misled by something so simple--and simply wrong. When the Governor confronted the Massachusetts Supreme Court, he had two choices: (1) He could fight the decision using legal means; or (2) he could risk contempt citations and impeachment in an ineffectual, grandstanding attempt to block same-sex marriages. Rather than becoming the what the media would undoubtedly call the "George Wallace of gay marriage" and hand homosexual activists a propaganda victory to go along with their court victory, Governor Romney fought using the law and using his enormous gifts of persuasion. As a result, the same-sex marriage movement has lost public momentum, has lost court cases, and has lost at the ballot box. And we have Governor Romney and his principled, courageous, and compassionate defense of traditional marriage to thank for much of that success.
Mitt Romney did not "choose" gay marriage. At a critical moment in our nation's history, Mitt Romney did make a choice, and he chose to defend marriage in a way that can and should make all conservatives proud."
Romney's Marriage Question February 22, 2007
As I speak to some of the smaller grassroots conservative groups around the country, they keep bringing up this idea that Mitt Romney did not do enough to stop gay marriage in Massachusetts. The headlines read that Romney fought it as Governor and came to Washington DC to testify in front of the Senate to support of a federal marriage amendment. But these groups tell a different story. I bring this up because it is a common concern I hear from folks who at least say they are in the know in Massachusetts. Below is a column yesterday from Don Federer, an Orthodox Jew who is active in the pro-family movement. He lays out the case against Romney on marriage. It's a little long but worth the read.
If youre confused by Romneys evolving position on abortion (with many missing links), consider Mitts shifting stand on marriage. In January, Romney was Ozzie and Harriet on the campaign trail. I opposed then and I do now, gay marriage and civil union (sic.), Romney alleges. I am proud of the fact that my team did everything within our power and within the law to stand up for traditional marriage." Well, not quite everything.
As a candidate in 2002, he opposed a defense-of-marriage amendment to Massachusetts' Constitution, which preceded the decision of its high court mandating same-sex marriage. (It was, Romney sniffed, too extreme.) As governor, there were any number of things he could have done to stop same-sex marriage after the Supreme Judicial Court (SJC) discovered a right to same lurking in an 18th century constitution. Article V of the document drafted by John Adams provides, All causes of marriage, divorce and alimony shall be heard and determined by the governor and council, meaning the courts cant change the definition of marriage. Yet, as the Commonwealths chief executive officer, Romney never attempted to enforce that provision against a clear case of judicial usurpation. Article X of the constitution declares: The people of this Commonwealth are not controllable by any other laws than those to which their constitutional representative body have given consent.
The states constitutional representative body never consented to gay marriage. The Massachusetts legislature never passed enabling legislation, as mandated by the court. Romney could have simply rejected the decision on the grounds of either constitutional provision. Instead echoing his earlier pro-choice position Romney chose to do nothing.Or, Romney could have used a bill of address to try to remove a gang of judicial autocrats who were forcing their radical views on the state. He didnt. (Mitt currently travels around the country railing against activist judges. Talk is cheap.)
So, what did the champion of traditional marriage do? The court ordered the legislature to pass a law providing for same-sex marriage within 180 days. The legislature did nothing. When the time limit expired, Romney acted as if the legislature had acted and told town clerks to issue marriage licenses to gays. He further ordered justices of the peace whose conscience wouldnt allow them to perform such ceremonies to resign. Except for offering lip-service to traditional marriage, Romney did exactly what gay activists wanted him to do -- nada.
And this coming in today to The Brody File from Jay Sekulow who litgated the Goodrich case:
"He did everything possible and feasible under Massachusetts law. You have to look at what's practible and feasible in that state. He did everything possible to defend marriage."
Sekulow goes on to make the point that you need to put this in proper context. It's not like Romney was Governor in Alabama which has a state constitution that gives the Governor more power and flexibility. In Massachusetts, it's a much different climate which needed a much different approach.
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MITT ROMNEY "CHOSE" GAY MARRIAGE?
Did Mitt Romney choose gay marriage for Massachusetts? That's the thrust of a bizarre and amateurish legal argument that is circulating through the internet and conservative media. A group calling itself "MassResistance" has been peddling for many months the argument that the Massachusetts Supreme Court did not actually mandate same-sex marriage in Massachusetts but instead merely requested that the legislature change the laws to permit same-sex marriage. Since the law was not changed (and since the Court didn't have the authority to order the legislature to write new laws)--so the argument goes--Governor Romney therefore never had to recognize same-sex marriage and was in fact the "father" of same-sex marriage when he permitted state and local officials to perform and recognize such marriages. For the latest example of this specious argument, see the quotes from MassResistance member John Haskins in this story.
If such silly legal arguments didn't cause so much harm, I would read them and laugh. Instead, some serious people seem to be taking these arguments seriously, so let me take a moment for a little bit of constitutional law 101. As with most bad arguments, MassResistance starts with a grain of truth: Judges have very little authority to order legislators to do anything, and depending on the state constitution may have no power at all to issue orders to the legislature. The proper, constitutional, role of the judiciary is to interpret the law, not make new law.
MassResistance argues that the Massachusetts Supreme Court overstepped its bounds and ordered the legislature to change state laws to permit same-sex marriage. Because the laws have not yet been changed (and because the court can't issue such an order in the first place), same-sex marriage is not yet legal in Massachusetts, and Governor Romney's decision to recognize same-sex marriages since the court's decision was entirely optional and discretionary.
Sounds compelling, right? Sounds almost scholarly, doesn't it? Well, there's a problem. Even if you accept every premise of MassResistance's argument regarding the proper role of the courts and the legislature, their argument falls apart based on the language of the same-sex marriage case itself.
You can read the entire opinion at the Massachusetts court website, but for those who lack the time--or stomach--to read the whole thing, please pay attention to this paragraph:
We construe civil marriage to mean the voluntary union of two persons as spouses, to the exclusion of all others. This reformulation redresses the plaintiffs' constitutional injury and furthers the aim of marriage to promote stable, exclusive relationships. It advances the two legitimate State interests the department has identified: providing a stable setting for child rearing and conserving State resources. It leaves intact the Legislature's broad discretion to regulate marriage.
What does this mean? It means that the court interpreted (that's another word for "construed") Massachusetts law to mean that two people of the same sex could marry--and that any interpretation contrary to the court's would violate the rights of homosexuals. In other words, the court did not order the legislature to do anything. Instead, it did what the constitution allows it to do--it interpreted the law. It did so in an improper, activist way that abandoned the obvious original intent of the Massachusetts constitution and the Massachusetts marriage laws, but it interpreted the law nonetheless.
Now, take a look at the next paragraph:
In their complaint the plaintiffs request only a declaration that their exclusion and the exclusion of other qualified same-sex couples from access to civil marriage violates Massachusetts law. We declare that barring an individual from the protections, benefits, and obligations of civil marriage solely because that person would marry a person of the same sex violates the Massachusetts Constitution. We vacate the summary judgment for the department. We remand this case to the Superior Court for entry of judgment consistent with this opinion. Entry of judgment shall be stayed for 180 days to permit the Legislature to take such action as it may deem appropriate in light of this opinion.
Read it again. And again. Do you see any order directed against the legislature? No? Well, that's for a good reason. The court did not order the legislature to do anything--it merely stayed its judgement for 180 days for the legislature to take action that it deemed "appropriate." However, since the marriage laws had already been interpreted (construed) to include same-sex marriage, the legislature did not have to take any action at all for same-sex marriage to become legal. It was already legal because of the court's decision.
Frankly, it is sad that so many could be misled by something so simple--and simply wrong. When the Governor confronted the Massachusetts Supreme Court, he had two choices: (1) He could fight the decision using legal means; or (2) he could risk contempt citations and impeachment in an ineffectual, grandstanding attempt to block same-sex marriages. Rather than becoming the what the media would undoubtedly call the "George Wallace of gay marriage" and hand homosexual activists a propaganda victory to go along with their court victory, Governor Romney fought using the law and using his enormous gifts of persuasion. As a result, the same-sex marriage movement has lost public momentum, has lost court cases, and has lost at the ballot box. And we have Governor Romney and his principled, courageous, and compassionate defense of traditional marriage to thank for much of that success.
Mitt Romney did not "choose" gay marriage. At a critical moment in our nation's history, Mitt Romney did make a choice, and he chose to defend marriage in a way that can and should make all conservatives proud.
P.S. If you doubt my qualifications to read a court case, please read my bio.
Posted by David French on January 2, 2007 02:23 PM
What are we going to do about those who lie about this issue here on FR?
Ping
I've never seen anyone ask for suspension before?
Who is asking for a suspension?
Read all of the above and see where the facts take you.
Lets let them speak for themselves.
Ping to a better and more authoritative response to the charge that Mitt instituted Gay Marriage in Massachusetts than my feeble attempt earlier today.
I don't think you'll like it. maybe you could think of some good names to call Jay.
Both are saying the same thing. Two authorities, not one.
Did Romney EXPLICITLY state he would support the passage of the Federal Marriage Amendment?
Did he say he would defend in court the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act?
Did he say he would oppose civil unions on the federal level?
Federal I don't know. But he proposed, and has been asking for a State Constitutional Ammendment banning same sex marriage in Massachusetts. And he has been since the issue came up from the case mentioned above.
http://judiciary.senate.gov/testimony.cfm?id=1234&wit_id=3608
Testimony of
Honorable Mitt Romney
Governor
Massachuetts
June 22, 2004 PRINTABLE VERSION
Should answer your question.
Not only did he explicitly state that he would support it, he was the one who PROPOSED THE IDEA of a federal consitutional ammendment to ban gay marriage.
These issues will not be confined to Massachusetts alone. Our states borders are porous. Citizens of our state will travel and may face sickness and injury in other states. In those cases, their spousal relationship may not be recognized, and it would be likely that litigation would result. Massachusetts residents will move to other states, and thus issues related to property rights, employer benefits, inheritance, and many others will arise. It is not possible for the issue to remain solely a Massachusetts issue; it must now be confronted on a national basis.
We need an amendment that restores and protects our societal definition of marriage, blocks judges from changing that definition and then, consistent with the principles of federalism, leaves other policy issues regarding marriage to state legislatures.
The real threat to the states is not the constitutional amendment process, in which the states participate, but activist judges who disregard the law and redefine marriage in order to impose their will on the states, and on the whole nation.
At this point, the only way to reestablish the status quo ante is to preserve the definition of marriage in the federal constitution before courts redefine it out of existence.
Congress has been gathering evidence and considering testimony about the need for a constitutional amendment to protect marriage. The time fast approaches for debate, and then decision.
ping
The more facts we have on each candidate, the better able we will be to make a decision.
You got my sole point for posting this thread. Informed choices are the best choices.
Let them debate with the truth as presented here.
I wonder what some will say about the sworn congressional testimony before the Judiciary Committee asking for a Federal Constitutional Ammendment banning gay marriage? And the fact that he was the first one ever to do so?
I will say this: I find it distressing that so many cannot simply realize that we have a choice of good men and are being asked to pick the best. It is true that some are more flawed than others, but even one I consider a poorer choice, John McCain, is not an evil man; he has much good to recommend him.
It is unnecessary for all of this vitriol to be thrown around about the candidates. All it does is cause hard feelings and make it more difficult for us to rally around the eventual winner. Sometimes I think some of the posters intend this.
BUMP.
Thanks for the ping!
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