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Rise of the candidate defined by September 11
The Daily Telegraph ^ | February 23, 2007 | Toby Harnden

Posted on 02/23/2007 1:43:05 AM PST by MadIvan

Surrounded by firemen, medics and police officers in a small fire station in the Deep South, Rudy Giuliani was introduced by local dignitaries as "the face of the 9/11 response" and the man who "was there when the twin towers were hit".

He is running for the White House in 2008 but it was that fateful day in 2001 that will define his candidacy. "On September 11, 2001, the terrorists who attacked us wanted to achieve two things," he said as the South Carolina audience hushed. "They wanted to kill a lot of Americans and they wanted to break our spirit."

More than five years after the al-Qa'eda attacks, amid gloom and division over the Iraq war, there is a nostalgia for the heroism and solidarity that they sparked.

As New York's take-charge mayor, Mr Giuliani is seen as the epitome of a spirit that was not broken.

That memory of him, etched in the US psyche, has propelled Mr Giuliani, 62, into his surprise position as early front-runner in the Republican field for 2008 as he presents himself as a leader who can be trusted "when they attack us again".

His advisers calculate that his 9/11 image, combined with his success in cutting crime and taxes in New York, will trump concerns about his views on abortion, gay rights and gun control, which conventional wisdom dictates should sink him in the Republican primaries.

Whereas his rivals John McCain and Mitt Romney are engaged in attempts to disavow previous statements and recast themselves as social conservatives, Mr Giuliani's pitch is that "for most it's never about one issue" and consistency is preferable to pandering.

"I believe you've got to run based on what you are, who you really are," he told The Daily Telegraph. "I find if you do it that way even people who disagree with you sometimes respect you."

Mr Giuliani noted that his pro-choice abortion position had not changed in nearly two decades. The former mayor declined to draw the contrast himself, but Mr McCain supported the Roe versus Wade abortion ruling as late as 1999 and Mr Romney was pro-choice in 2004 but now declares himself pro-life.

"I'm just telling you the most honest answer to the question, which is the same answer I gave in 1989," Mr Giuliani told The Daily Telegraph. "I would advise my daughter or anyone else not to have an abortion. I'd do anything I could to help and assist with an adoption. I would like to see it ended but ultimately I believe a woman has a right to choose."

Whereas the Democratic contest has already descended into angry exchanges between advisers to the three front-runners, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards, the Republican contest has remained gentlemanly thus far.

"No comment on anybody else's candidacy," Mr Giuliani said firmly when he was invited to criticise his opponents. "We've got some terrific people that are running."

Paradoxically, Mr Giuliani is able to appear as the candidate of optimism by repeatedly referring to America's darkest day. He even injected notes of humour into his 9/11 stories as he spoke against the backdrop of a massive US flag that had been flown in an A-10 Thunderbolt over Afghanistan. He told how a fire crew drove 700 miles to New York from Indianapolis to help, and he saw a Chicago policeman directing traffic in Manhattan. "Probably he was sending people up to the Bronx that are still driving around trying to figure out where they are," he said.

Mr Giuliani suggested there had been divine intervention in the way the hijacked United Flight 93 crashed into a field in Pennsylvania just a mile from a school. "Just a hand of God had that plane come down in the field rather than on top of a school and our tragedy would have been even worse."

He also cited his record of running a city with a population of 8.1 million and getting things done. "I hate to toot my own horn but that's what I'm good at. I'm good at taking problems that have hung around for a long time with nobody doing anything about it.

"That's what I did about the problem of crime in New York, the problem of welfare, the problem of cleaning up the streets."

After being made an honorary fire chief of South Carolina, a traditionally conservative state where a crucial early primary will be held, he mingled among the crowd, signing so many photographs and copies of his book Leadership that his hand began to tire.

When told that the Queen has a machine to sign official documents for her, he laughed and responded: "Is that true? That's not fair."

Several Republicans said they differed from him on key issues but would vote for him nevertheless. "I don't like his position on gun control," said Ken Crenshaw, 63, a retired soldier. "I've belonged to the National Rifle Association for 35 years so I'm pro-gun. But he's a proven leader so he's the right man at the right moment."


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: benito; election; giuliani; logcabin; medialies; president; rudy
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...consistency is preferable to pandering.

Just so.

Several Republicans said they differed from him on key issues but would vote for him nevertheless. "I don't like his position on gun control," said Ken Crenshaw, 63, a retired soldier. "I've belonged to the National Rifle Association for 35 years so I'm pro-gun. But he's a proven leader so he's the right man at the right moment."

The voice of realism...and victory over the Satanic...erm, Democrat Party.

Regards, Ivan

1 posted on 02/23/2007 1:43:07 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: areafiftyone; BunnySlippers; PhiKapMom; Mrs Ivan; odds; DCPatriot; Deetes; Barset; fanfan; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 02/23/2007 1:43:34 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

Reading just the headline, I thought this article was about Barack Hussein Obama


3 posted on 02/23/2007 1:44:21 AM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: expatguy
Reading just the headline, I thought this article was about Barack Hussein Obama

There was FDR, then there was JFK, then there was LBJ, but is America ready for BO?

4 posted on 02/23/2007 1:50:24 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (] Tagline Under Construction [)
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To: MadIvan

Is this his website?

http://www.joinrudy2008.com


5 posted on 02/23/2007 1:52:57 AM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: MadIvan

IMO the political landscape is changed forever not only by 9/11 but also by www., cnn, fox, etc.


6 posted on 02/23/2007 1:55:20 AM PST by tkathy (Sectarian violence? Or genocidal racists? Which is a better description of islamists?)
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To: tkathy

war as well


7 posted on 02/23/2007 1:59:32 AM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: expatguy

An argument can be made that war also is changed forever not only by 9/11 but also by www., cnn, fox, etc. Bush is the first president to face not only 9/11 but also www., cnn, fox, etc., part of the reason why he's in trouble


8 posted on 02/23/2007 2:04:47 AM PST by tkathy (Sectarian violence? Or genocidal racists? Which is a better description of islamists?)
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To: MadIvan
Mr. Giuliani is seen as the epitome of a spirit that was not broken

Amen!

9 posted on 02/23/2007 2:07:34 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel-Robert Frost)
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To: MadIvan
Agreed.

It seems that since, oh, maybe the sixties, we all have our lists of positions, and we match them up to what a candidate says. Whoever gets the most matches wins our vote.

I have met so many non-conservatives who either respected or even LOVED Ronald Reagan. They didn't vote for him as much on the issues as they did on his passion, his ability to move the country in a direction he could explain.

If Reagan were running today, how many here would say "Look at his abortion record in California--never gettin MY vote!"

I'm starting to see McCain fade, Hillary stumble and Giuliani, Romney and Obama moving ahead. This can change at any time, but I am sensing many people want A LEADER, not just someone who spouts the "right" positions. After all, if we voted in 1984 or 2004 based on the deficit spending (NOT a conservative position), shrinking the size of government, or making abortion illegal, where might we be today?

10 posted on 02/23/2007 2:21:18 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Republican, Bostonian, Bush supporter, atheist, pro-lifer)
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People DO want a leader, or so they say. Yet when confronted with one, President Bush, all we hear is "RINO! He betrayed us! " from the Far Right and "Liar! War for Oil" form the Left.

WHoever gets the Republican nomination I wish well, and will vote for. I am dubious about the support that person will receive, given what I read here.

11 posted on 02/23/2007 3:03:36 AM PST by Miss Marple (Prayers for Jemian's son,: Lord, please keep him safe and bring him home .)
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To: Jim Robinson

You have some Freepmails with info on that site (re. your question in comment #5).


12 posted on 02/23/2007 3:38:26 AM PST by familyop
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To: MadIvan

GO RUDY


13 posted on 02/23/2007 3:41:57 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Jim Robinson

...third mail--the news link.


14 posted on 02/23/2007 3:47:04 AM PST by familyop
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To: familyop
"I'm good at taking problems that have hung around for a long time with nobody doing anything about it."

Yeah, I was just curious about his statement about fixing problems. Just wondered what problems he's fixin to fix. Nothing about his platform or vision for America or what he's planning to do as president on his web site. He says we know what and who he is and whether we like it or not he's running on it. Guess that means he's planning on fixing problems for gays, abortionists and illegals, grabbing our guns and fixing global warming. Oh, yeah, and winning the war. Just what is his military/war experience anyway?

15 posted on 02/23/2007 3:47:38 AM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: familyop

Info from the news link:

As a candidate, his biggest selling point may be the ability to project no-nonsense competence - a valuable asset when many voters view the current administration as hopelessly bumbling in a crisis.

But most Beltway political analysts think Giuliani's moderate positions on guns, abortion and gays will kill him among the right-wing conservatives who vote in primaries.

In particular, Giuliani's support for gay rights will likely play badly in a party that has been revving up its base by demonizing gays. There are enough snapshots of Hizzoner marching in gay pride parades and goofing around in drag to illustrate a hundred attack ads.

A preview of what Giuliani, a 62-year-old thrice-married Catholic, could face in the heartland came in a 2002 debate, when Democrat Alex Sanders famously attacked Senate candidate Lindsey Graham for being buddies with Giuliani.

"Giuliani is an ultraliberal," Sanders said. "He supports gay rights. He supports banning all handguns. He supports abortion. His wife kicked him out, and he moved in with two gay men and a Shih Tzu. Is that South Carolina values? I don't think so."

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/471189p-396520c.html


Thanks for the info. Sounds encouraging.... not.


16 posted on 02/23/2007 3:58:26 AM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: Jim Robinson
Guess that means he's planning on fixing problems for gays, abortionists and illegals, grabbing our guns and fixing global warming.

You automatically assume the worst on the basis of the website not saying anything about what platform he'll run on. The platform itself will likely be decided at the 2008 Republican National Convention.

Just what is his military/war experience anyway?

That apparently is not everything - many of the leading lights of the Social Conservative movement did not serve. The bete noire of Free Republic, John McCain, did.

Ivan

17 posted on 02/23/2007 3:59:48 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Jim Robinson
"Giuliani is an ultraliberal," Sanders said. "He supports gay rights. He supports banning all handguns. He supports abortion. His wife kicked him out, and he moved in with two gay men and a Shih Tzu. Is that South Carolina values? I don't think so."

If memory serves, Graham handily defeated him. Obviously, the people of South Carolina had a different opinion.

Ivan

18 posted on 02/23/2007 4:00:52 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan
"the face of the 9/11 response"

I reserve that distinction for GWB.

19 posted on 02/23/2007 4:05:23 AM PST by blam
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To: MadIvan
Well, if the man's going to run for president, he ought to at least give us an idea of what he's going to do with all that power. I mean besides making sure the garbage trucks run on time and the potholes get fixed on Broadway St.

What makes him think he can do better than the current "bumbling admin" (as quoted from the linked article) in prosecuting the war?
20 posted on 02/23/2007 4:06:42 AM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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