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What is wrong with intelligent design?
EurekAlert! ^ | 22-Feb-2007 | Suzanne Wu

Posted on 02/22/2007 6:22:34 PM PST by Boxen

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To: Gumlegs; Wakeup Sleeper
LOL!

gumlegs: Given the duplicitous nature of most of them, it's more like cross-dressing.[...] Before your attempt your next response, please have someone tell you what the words mean.
sleeper: some may have been duplicates but not most, but I can still give you more names if you like?
gumlegs: I see you didn't take my advice.

It may be a little bit too late, but, as it is said: Be not ignorant of any thing in a great matter or a small. (Sir.5,15)
duplicitous:

duplicate:

621 posted on 03/26/2007 1:27:15 PM PDT by si tacuissem (sapere aude!)
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To: si tacuissem
This isn't the first ESL anti-Evo to bloviate on CREVO threads on FR..... though the last one was booted off several years back.

The current incarnation has exactly the same grammar, sentence structure, egregious errors, and argumentation technique as the one who got the boot. If they aren't the same person, or the members of the same family, they surely went through the same school system.

622 posted on 03/26/2007 2:33:28 PM PDT by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his tenth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: longshadow
Since my early lurking days, I've read quite a few obscure posts of creationist (f.christian is unforgotten!).

FWIW, the disregard of the rules of syntax, grammar and spelling reminds me of the liberal dictum that "rules don't apply to ME"....

623 posted on 03/26/2007 3:20:46 PM PDT by si tacuissem (sapere aude!)
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To: si tacuissem

There was no deception. look at the science! and can keep giving names of scientists if you want who are favorable to evolution? If I must continualy keep writing bunches of names down over and over.


624 posted on 03/26/2007 5:23:58 PM PDT by Wakeup Sleeper
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To: Coyoteman

those cheesy comments arent going to cut it!


625 posted on 03/26/2007 5:26:25 PM PDT by Wakeup Sleeper
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To: Stultis

Entwined and woven? Thats some real science there!


626 posted on 03/26/2007 5:27:36 PM PDT by Wakeup Sleeper
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To: si tacuissem

You have to show that the ratio of carbon 12 to carbon 14 is a constant. Dr. willard Libby the founder of the carbon 14 dating method assumed this ratio to be a constant. In order for the ratio to be in consistance, you must have the amount in the atmosphere at the same rate of decay (equilibrium) even in Dr. Libbys work he noted that the atmosphere did not appear to be at equilibrium. This was a troubling idea for Dr. Libby since he wanted to believe the world was billions of years old and enough time had past to acheive equilibeium he found it would only take 30,000 years at best to reach equilibrium. But guess what Dr. Libby deliberatly ignored the evidence that he didnt want to believe and tried to blame it on experimental error. It is fact that the ratio of c12 to c14 is NOT a constant. Read about Dr. Libbys dishonesty!


627 posted on 03/26/2007 5:56:02 PM PDT by Wakeup Sleeper
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To: Gumlegs

Do you have any real science or are you an eNgLiSh teacher!


628 posted on 03/26/2007 5:57:53 PM PDT by Wakeup Sleeper
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To: Wakeup Sleeper

I mean scientists who arent favorable! hahahaha Peace!

Lets get into the missing "missing links" shall we? does it take along time for something to fossil?

Answer NO


Are there dinosaur bones with soft tissue in them today?

Answer YES


How can there be fossils i.e. polystrate, fossils if the strata is layered and sealed for millions and billions and millions of years?

Answer There cant


can proteins form on their own and just happen to form the proper squence by chance just make one protein that still wouldnt make life?

Answer NO


Are there a great many studies out there now starting to show remarkable probability that once thought of constants may actualy not be constants?

Answer YES


Can the earth be billions of yearsold and the mountains not have eroded away?

Answer NO



Is there enough sediment at the moutths of rivers and sediment on the ocean floor for it to be billions of years old?

Answer NO (and to add not even close to near enough)


Are there fossils at the tops of mountains and sediments even on everest which gives possible evidence to a global flood?

Answer YES shall I keep going? There is absolute no science to refute what ive just expressed here! There isnt a scientist who would even dare to argue it, evolutionist or not!


629 posted on 03/26/2007 6:13:00 PM PDT by Wakeup Sleeper
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To: Wakeup Sleeper
Hessel de Vries, a Dutch physicist at the University of Groningen, furthered the detection methods and applications of radiocarbon dating to a variety of sciences. He has been called "the unsung hero of radiocarbon dating" by Willis.

In 1958, de Vries showed that there were systematic anomalies in the carbon-14 dates of tree rings. His explanation was that the concentration of carbon-14 in the atmosphere had varied over time by up to 1%. He hypothesized that the variation might be explained by (a) something connected with climate, (b) that it was not created in the atmosphere at a uniform rate due to variations in the Earth's magnetic field, or (c) a cause lay in the Sun itself. Source


Atmospheric variation of up to 1%? Wow! That shoots the radiocarbon method down for sure doesn't it?

(Oh, wait. Scientists figured out a way to correct for atmospheric variation. Never mind.)

630 posted on 03/26/2007 6:13:06 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Wakeup Sleeper
There is absolute no science to refute what ive just expressed here! There isnt a scientist who would even dare to argue it, evolutionist or not!

Can Wakeup Sleeper truly be that ignorant of the principles and findings of science?

Answer YES

631 posted on 03/26/2007 6:16:50 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

1% is what he claims but not fact. And if you arent sure what the effect of the carbon scources are or at what intensity at different time periods how can you make a claim that its only 1%. For example some say that we could have 500 times the amount of carbon 14 today fromjust a few thousand years ago.etc..etc...etc... Peace!


632 posted on 03/26/2007 6:22:19 PM PDT by Wakeup Sleeper
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To: Coyoteman

Go ahead and show me that what ive just posted has an error in it, of those things I just lited show me and express yourself here in front of all and refute just one! because they are absolute facts.

There are fossils in the tops of maountains,
there arent enough sediments in the river ocean floors,
proteins dont come together by chance and form the EXACT sequences etc...etc...etc... just refute one as not being a known fact!


633 posted on 03/26/2007 6:29:21 PM PDT by Wakeup Sleeper
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To: Wakeup Sleeper

And dont give me the adhock no evidence, theres subduction goin ons down yonder under them their contanants!


634 posted on 03/26/2007 6:30:44 PM PDT by Wakeup Sleeper
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To: Wakeup Sleeper
For example some say that we could have 500 times the amount of carbon 14 today fromjust a few thousand years ago.

Wrong.

Here is an example of the "science" you are citing:

In the Creation model, all the layers of the geologic column were laid down 4350 years ago in the global flood. Also, taking into account the dilution effect of the antediluvian world, the Carbon ratio at the time of burial was maybe 1:300 of today's C-14/C-12 equilibrium of the Biosphere. So, The creationists predict that fossil carbon should have residual C-14 of maybe 1:500 of today's C-14/C-12 equilibrium of the Biosphere. A ratio of 1:500 would give fossil carbon an apparent age of approximately 50,000 years. Source


Clearly science is not your best subject.

(I still think my post #617 is the best explanation.)

635 posted on 03/26/2007 6:32:53 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Wakeup Sleeper
Do you have any real science or are you an eNgLiSh teacher!

It wouldn't matter; you're illiterate in both.

636 posted on 03/26/2007 8:28:28 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Wakeup Sleeper
You have to show that the ratio of carbon 12 to carbon 14 is a constant.

Amusingly, I don't have to. You asked in your post #551: give me one specific not websites you yourself tell me where at one point tell me where its wrong! I did so in my post #577 in a way, you should be able to understand.
Deal with it...

637 posted on 03/27/2007 12:21:01 AM PDT by si tacuissem (sapere aude!)
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To: Wakeup Sleeper
Entwined and woven? Thats some real science there!

Yes. Exactly. A real scientific theory must be rich in testable implications, and to do that it must be readily interwoven/integrated with any and all other relevant scientific theories and principles.

This is also exactly why ID isn't scientific. It seeks to remain alone and apart, making a full stop at drawing, as they call it, the "design inference." IDers refuse to posit any specific claims that would tie the theory into a scenario of earth history, claims about the fossil record, issues related to comparative anatomy, patterns of the geographical distributions of organisms, modes of genetic change, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

638 posted on 03/27/2007 8:14:25 AM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: longshadow
If they aren't the same person, or the members of the same family, they surely went through the same school system.

Perhaps the home-schooled scion...

639 posted on 03/27/2007 12:46:28 PM PDT by si tacuissem (sapere aude!)
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To: si tacuissem

Home schooled chidren out perform public school children!


640 posted on 03/27/2007 3:14:54 PM PDT by Wakeup Sleeper
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