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[Giuliani's] Allies could cause alarm
AM New York ^ | 22 February 2007 | Tom Brune

Posted on 02/22/2007 2:59:27 PM PST by Spiff

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To: hosepipe
Rudy McRomney is being PimPed by the MsM and MsP for a reason...

Roll this little scenario in you head and see what you think. My thoughts are that there is a huge power play in the Democrat Party between Soros and the Clintons. Soros is aligned with Kennedy, Kerry and as I understand he is backing Obana against the Clintons. This is a huge power play for the control of the Democrat Party and ultimately the U.S. This is the biggie of our time that we are witnessing.The MSM is somewhat confused now as they don't know which candidate to back.

Right now Clinton is P.O. because of the money Geffort is giving Obana and also the true but unflattering statements made about the Clintons and Hillary in general. Geffort had raised around $18 million for the Clintons campaign in exchange for bedroom privilege in the Lincoln room. In exchange for that huge amount of money Geffort wanted Clinton to pardon his friend who had killed 2 FBI agents. That pardon would have been hard for any president to pardon.

I can't recall a presidential campaign starting 2 years in advance. My thoughts are that Soros wants Hillary to spend more money now so when she needs it at the end, it may not be there. As you recall,she has already stated she didn't need the matching funds but if I remember correctly, that was before Obana came on the scene so strongly. If Hillary can win the presidencey, Rudy will be the best candidate to run against. They both have corupt backgrounds. They agree on abortion and stem cells. They are both gun control freaks. With Guilani running it crosses out anything Clinton and Monica did. Carville won't miss a trick when showing Guilani cross dressing and laughing about it. At the end this will be one of the nastiest campaigns ever, IMO, as it has 2 years building, thanks to Soros. The Clintons have won the first round as they have managed to pull Obana off his roost and have shown him to be a politician just like the rest. He has backed a man for money who wanted a murderer of 2 FBI agents paroled. Politifcs is politics.

41 posted on 02/22/2007 7:09:05 PM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: Alberta's Child
In all fairness to Rudy, New York is a cesspool of corruption and nobody gets appointed to anything who doesn't have at least a little poop on them.

That being said, this is just a preview of what will be thrown at Rudy if he wins the nomination. The whole idea is to make Hillary the moral equivalent by dragging the whoever is the Republican nominee through as much dirt as possible.

McCain and Rudy both have enough crap on them to make this job easy.

42 posted on 02/22/2007 10:08:07 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue
Giuliani Clinton Dem Platform GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion Supports
Opposed
NY ban
Supports Supports Opposes
Roe v. Wade Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment Opposes Opposes Opposes
Defined at
state level
Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/
Civil Unions
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Openly Gay Military Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship
for Illegal Aliens
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Tough Penalties for
Employers of Illegal Aliens
Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Sanctuary Cities/
Ignoring Immigration Law
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment Opposes
Opposes Opposes
Supports bans
Supports
Confiscating Guns Supports
Confiscated
as mayor.
Even bragged.
Supports Supports
Supports bans
Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban Supports Supports Supports  
Frivolous Lawsuits
Against Gun Makers
Supports
Filed One
Himself
Supports   Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses Supports Supports   Opposes
War in Afghanistan Supports Supports
Voted for it
Supports Supports
War in Iraq Supports Supports
Voted for it
Supports
Weak support
Supports
Patriot Act Supports Supports
Voted for it
2001 & 2006
Opposes Supports
"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it.
Rudy Giuliani

43 posted on 02/22/2007 10:15:41 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Spiff
One nation under Giuliani
(Uh... I Don't Think So)
  1. Disdain for the Constitution
    Mayor Giuliani routinely disregarded the First Amendment as he rejected requests for information from news organizations and civic groups and opposed public access to city hall steps and parks for demonstrations. "Freedom is about authority," Giuliani said, responding to critics in 1998. "Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it."

  2. Subverting Democracy to Suit His Needs
    Just two weeks after the Twin Towers fell, Giuliani attempted to become the first official in American history to use an emergency to extend his elected term. Most Americans forget that Giuliani spent a week bullying the mayoral candidates to allow him three extra months in office after his term ended in December 2001. The power grab fell through when the leader of the state assembly refused to change electoral law to suit Giuliani's demands.

  3. Withholding Public Information
    In a legally questionable transaction on December 24, 2001, just days before the end of the mayor's second term, Giuliani secretly moved all 2,100 boxes of mayoral files and videos from his eight years in office. The records, which by law were to become the property of the Municipal archives, were transferred to a gated private storage facility, and their control was transferred to the Rudolph W. Giuliani Center for Urban Affairs, a newly-established private nonprofit group controlled by Giuliani.

    Angry archivists and historians denounced the unprecedented hijacking of public property to private hands. Tom Connors, of the Society of American Archivists, said the transfer seemed part of a movement to "create barriers to the American citizen's right to know what their governments are doing."

  4. Profiting From His Hero Status
    In February, 2002, Giuliani insisted upon transferring guardianship of the $100 million remaining in the city-run Twin Towers Fund to a private charity he controlled.

    The families of the police and fire rescuers who died in the attack balked at Giuliani's plan to take up to a year to dole out the money, with his new organization billing $2.2 million in anticipated administrative expenses (including six-figure salaries for friends he appointed as officers). The families argued that the fire union had far more quickly distributed $111 million with an estimated administrative cost of just $30,000.

    Under embarrassing pressure from the victims' families, unions and state Attorney General Elliot Spitzer, Giuliani backed down. He promised to distribute the money within 60 days and fund his overhead from new donations. The families of the deceased rescuers, the real heroes of the September 11 attacks, received a one-time benefit of about $230,000 each from the Giuliani-privatized fund in 2002.

    That year, the former mayor earned some $8 million in speaking fees alone, more than $650,000 per month.


IMO - Psychologically, there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with Rudy. He is self-absorbed by P-O-W-E-R.


http://www.alternet.org/election04/19673/

44 posted on 02/23/2007 5:36:23 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a 'Right Wing Extremist'.)
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To: beansox
rudy will win

GIRL!?!? You be TRIPPIN'!!!!!
45 posted on 02/23/2007 5:56:15 AM PST by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: My2Cents; NapkinUser
Two questions: 1) How many times have you posted your little screed, and 2) how effective do you think it's been?

Answer to #1: Go count the number of times if it's that important to you.

Answer to #2: It must be effective if it has the panties of RudyBots in a twist (as yours appear to be).

Have a nice day.
46 posted on 02/23/2007 5:59:52 AM PST by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: narses; Lancey Howard

Hey Lancey!

How ya doin' man?

Just wanted to ping you to let you know that 'silly chart' as you call it has been posted again (#43 in this thread).

Have a great weekend in RudyLand.

:)


47 posted on 02/23/2007 6:03:46 AM PST by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: mkjessup

All of you are so funny about it. LOL


I think he stands the best shot of winning. I really do. He has been an ardent defender of the WOT and Iraq. That matters to me. Who esle is there? Mcain? Not a chance. I certainly wont vote for him. Im waiting for the Howard Dean YEE HA moment any second now! And frankly, I am sick of senators. I really am. Pompous idiots. I am sick to death of seeing them on tv everynight. I really am.



Let me stop. Its way to early in the morning to be this irritated. lol


48 posted on 02/23/2007 7:18:42 AM PST by beansox
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To: beansox; All
He has been an ardent defender of the WOT and Iraq.

Seriously now Ms Beansox (and note, I resisted the temptation to call you 'Ms. BS', lol), Rudy's support on the war on terror and the liberation of Iraq is notable and commendable. I have long said that he gave one of the best speeches at the '04 GOP convention, surpassed only by former Democratic Senator and True Patriot, Zell Miller of Georgia.

But it isn't the public statements and postures that someone takes, it is "what have you done for me lately?"

Rudy talks a great game, always has.

But if you are looking for a candidate that is deeply versed in national security, military readiness, has actual military experience himself (former U.S. Army Ranger in Vietnam), with family who has actually served in Iraq, with over 25 years of Congressional experience, you would find such a person in the candidate I'm supporting, Congressman Duncan Hunter of California.

In some ways, I understand the passion and unbridled enthusiasm of the RudyBots because they hear him speak, they listen to him, and they are mesmerized because he is quite frankly, a very talented orator.

But it takes more than that to lead the United States of America as President.

You mentioned McCain, and you're right: no way in this life or any other life should that guy be allowed in the Oval Office unless it's on a guided tour. But Rudy and McCain do have something in common:

They will be remembered as 'flavors of the month', McCain will forever be linked with the 'Straight Talk Express', and whatever moniker Rudy slaps on his bus, plane or armored SUV will be remembered likewise.

Rudy is a showhorse. A very intelligent and talented showhorse, but a showhorse nonetheless.

Duncan Hunter?

THERE is a workhorse.

It shouldn't take much in the IQ department to figure out which one you want to rely on in challenging and difficult times like these.
49 posted on 02/23/2007 8:53:47 AM PST by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: mkjessup
I know this wont win me any favor with some of you. But, imo, Rudy is the only one in the GOP that I think has a chance of winning. And yes, I would rather have a Rudy, despite all that you say he lacks, in the WH, than someone who will make the US a socialist state and sell us out to Islamic Fascist as Hillary most definitely will. To me its about the direction of this country and the thought of a Hillary/Obama WH coupled with democratic House and Senate is a scary one. It truly is. I want the GOP to keep the WH for the sake of America. I think Rudy is the man that can take us there. he has the ability to pull demographics from both sides of the aisle, and that is not only something that is long over due, but it is also a seemingly more and more rare trait in a candidate of any party.


I truly believe America wants move foreword not backwards. Hillary is the past, not the future. She deep down wants to seek retribution for what happened to them nearly a decade ago. As the campaign continues to heat up this will be harder and harder for her to keep secret from the sheeple. Obama, he is the liberal "de jour" and imo, he leans too left of center to really be a uniter. He is all lip service. If you look at the 2006 election, the democrats that won, ran on a moderate platform. Obama does not evoke moderation, and he will be hard pressed to get Middle America's vote just because he gives good face.

This brings us all back to Rudy. Will he get the 9/11 sympathy vote? Absolutely. And I love the message it would send to our enemies. This man is nearly the face of 9/11. I believe jihadists have a secret fear of the patriotic fire that burns in this mans soul.


Im rambling now..and I need to get back to work. LOL

p.s. thanks for not calling me "ms. bs". ;)
50 posted on 02/23/2007 10:31:37 AM PST by beansox
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