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Higher Grades Contradict Test Scores
Fox News ^ | Thursday, February 22, 2007 | NANCY ZUCKERBROD

Posted on 02/22/2007 1:23:15 PM PST by Sopater

WASHINGTON — High school students are getting better grades and taking more challenging courses, but that apparent progress is not showing up on national math and reading tests.

"The reality is that the results don't square," said Darvin Winick, chair of the independent National Assessment Governing Board, which oversees the tests. Scores were released Thursday.

Nearly 40 percent of high school seniors scored below the basic level on the math test. More than a quarter of seniors failed to reach the basic level on the reading test. Most educators think students ought to be able to work at the basic level.

"I think that we are sleeping through a crisis," said Massachusetts Commissioner of Education David Driscoll, a governing board member. He said the low test scores should push lawmakers and educators to enact school reforms.

The new reading scores show no change since 2002, the last time the test was given.

"We should be getting better. There's nothing good about a flat score," Winick said.

The government said it could not compare the math results with the previous scores because the latest test was significantly different.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: education; standardizedtesting
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1 posted on 02/22/2007 1:23:16 PM PST by Sopater
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To: Sopater

The average grade for today's teens is a B. Used to be a C. But the dirty little secret is that few teachers want to face parents at school conferences and tell then that their child is average, let alone, below average.

So like Garrison Keillor's hometown, ALL the children are above average.


2 posted on 02/22/2007 1:26:15 PM PST by kjo
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To: Sopater

It is all grade inflation.


3 posted on 02/22/2007 1:26:50 PM PST by Bertha Fanation
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To: Sopater

Easy. They are just not being held to the course material for their grades.

We can't make anyone feel bad by giving them poor or failing grades now, can we? There must be some kind of "hate-grade" legislation out there already.


4 posted on 02/22/2007 1:30:15 PM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: kjo
They were concerned with grade inflation when I was in school way too many years ago.

You'd think that by now every single student would be co-valedictorians with perfect 4.0s.
5 posted on 02/22/2007 1:36:01 PM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Sopater
Related Thread:

Report: Test scores, grades don't jibe


6 posted on 02/22/2007 1:37:24 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Sopater
This is so incredibly predictable. Merit pay is determined on aggregate grades so EVERYONE does well... until the standardized tests point to the chicanery.
7 posted on 02/22/2007 1:37:32 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Sopater

Maybe they are just bad "test takers".


8 posted on 02/22/2007 1:38:16 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: operation clinton cleanup

Test Scores Contradict Higher Grades

Fixed it!

9 posted on 02/22/2007 1:42:49 PM PST by DaveyB (Ignorance is part of the human condition - atheism makes it permanent!)
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To: Sopater

But it doesn't matter. They may be stupid, but they feeeeeel better about themselves, and their self-esteeeeeeeeeeem is what really counts, right?


10 posted on 02/22/2007 1:43:50 PM PST by Signalman
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To: kjo

I just read "Freak-enomics" where studies show how teachers got caught cheating for the students on tests to improve their test scores to get bonuses. Interesting study on how they did it.


11 posted on 02/22/2007 1:43:58 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: kjo

"few teachers want to face parents at school conferences and tell then that their child is average"

The teachers I know face the parents with the facts regularly. Then the parents run to the "politicians". Excuse me the "school board".

Many students don't do well on standardized tests. It's just like white coat syndrome. But my experience comes from a district where the teachers actually have to teach.


12 posted on 02/22/2007 1:48:05 PM PST by A Strict Constructionist (Nobles Oblige, BS, Well take care of it ourselves!)
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To: kjo; SoftballMominVA
But the dirty little secret is that few teachers want to face parents at school conferences and tell then that their child is average, let alone, below average.

Thankfully, I haven't encountered one of those teachers yet.

My daughter's best friend is the epitome of the perfect angel in school, but her grades are abysmmal, my daughter is the exact opposite. Both the other girl's mother and I know this because the teachers keep up informed. Of course the fact we EXPECT to be kept informed probably has a bearing on that.

13 posted on 02/22/2007 1:51:21 PM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: A Strict Constructionist
The teachers I know face the parents with the facts regularly. Then the parents run to the "politicians". Excuse me the "school board".

I know of a few parents like that. I wound up going to the school board because of them, but when I went to the board I had the full backing of the teachers and principal. I lost that particular battle, but in the end I did win the war.

14 posted on 02/22/2007 1:58:47 PM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: kjo

It was the opposite with us. My special needs daughter with brain damage does very well on multiple choice tests. She gets advanced on math and language arts. Therefore, according to the schools she doesn't have a problem.

Math is always consistent no matter what kind of test you give her. She shows her work. She can tell you from her head. She is great at math.

Reading/Writing is another story. Her reading fluency was very poor. She was a very slow reader. We had an independent evaluator tell us that she also does not know how to decode words well or tell the difference in the way words sound. She has memorized lots of words, but as she is getting older (10) she needs to know how to decode words.

Her writing was/is worse. She gets stuck on what to say. She has speech problems and one of her speech problems is word finding, so the writing just mirrors the speech problems.

If she sees a word, she can tell if it is spelled correctly. However, if she has to come up with the spelling herself, she doesn't do as well.

The district didn't want to provide any extra help (except minimal speech), even though a neuropsychologist, learning specialist, and a speech therapist recommended resource help.

We finally put her in private school with a multi-sensory reading program where she is learning how to decode words and learning phonics basics. After 6 months, she is reading so much faster and is reading age appropriate books. Her comprehension has always been good, so we are just making great strides in this area (no thanks to public school).

Her resource teacher isn't sure how to help her with her writing, but she knows she needs help. She does not say my daughter is okay. She is trying to figure out ways to help her. My daughter got a B- on language arts because her spelling and writing were poor. It makes me search out ways to help my daughter, instead of just pretending she is okay. In the long run, it's better to know there's a problem and try to help my daughter deal with the situation.


15 posted on 02/22/2007 2:02:12 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: Sopater

A friend recently gave a quiz to a freshman Calculus I class at a fairly well-known private college. Over half of the students flubbed a question involving fractions because they didn't know how to find a common denominator.


16 posted on 02/22/2007 2:04:12 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

Not surprised. We are uniters not dividers on this forum.


17 posted on 02/22/2007 2:40:14 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( Who is the Democrat's George Galloway?)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Sorry. Misread your post. Thought you took the test.


18 posted on 02/22/2007 2:41:25 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( Who is the Democrat's George Galloway?)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
It was would've been a good joke...(grin)...
19 posted on 02/22/2007 2:57:13 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Sopater
While the better grades may be mostly grade inflation, the "more challenging courses" part is more than offset by the fact that a much higher percentage of students are taking the tests. Thus the lower achieving students, who would not have taken the test in the past, are being encouraged to take it, and in the process are bringing down the average scores.

In some cases the "more challenging courses" may actually be the same old courses, but renamed and only taken by the top students, with the rest taking a dumbed down version of the older course matterial. However that's not what I see. I see truly more challenging courses being taken by the top students. I say that as a person who took the only advanced (smart kids section) courses (various math courses) offerred by our fairly large high school... way back in the dark ages, before the first moon landings.

20 posted on 02/22/2007 3:18:12 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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