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Long but good article on biodiesel, likely to become our primary transportation fuel. Algae grows in ocean saltwater. Petroleum originally comes from saltwater algae. California has hundreds of miles of Pacific Ocean coast, practically unlimited farmland, water, and sunshine for fuel algae production. And it's close to where the fuel is needed.
1 posted on 02/22/2007 7:16:16 AM PST by Reeses
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2 posted on 02/22/2007 7:17:43 AM PST by Reeses
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Nationally, biodiesel consumption is up sharply

Thanks to the 2005 Energy Bill, the growth of alternative energy markets has been phenomenal...and totally unmentioned in Republican campaigns for the most part.
3 posted on 02/22/2007 7:18:53 AM PST by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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that could be cultivated in farms or ponds.

There's some unwritten law that 70% of Earth's surface can't be used by man. The leftists don't want technology-based solutions. What they really want is control over our lives to feed their narcissistic egos and placate their envious torment.

4 posted on 02/22/2007 7:24:04 AM PST by Reeses
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""I just couldn't justify filling up that tank with gasoline anymore for a multitude of reasons," said McNees, 43, citing global warming and the war in Iraq. "This has been great. It's totally cleaned out the engine. It runs great, has a lot more power."

Mr. McNees is putting biodiesel in a gasoline engine, according to this quote, lol.


5 posted on 02/22/2007 7:26:16 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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"I just couldn't justify filling up that tank with gasoline anymore for a multitude of reasons," said McNees, 43, citing global warming and the war in Iraq. "This has been great. It's totally cleaned out the engine. It runs great, has a lot more power. It sort of smells like french fries -- it doesn't have that noxious diesel smell."

So, did he switch from a gas to a diesel vehicle, and then to biodiesel? Or is he running fry grease in a gasoline engine?

More snappy reporting from the highly-educated MSM.

6 posted on 02/22/2007 7:27:07 AM PST by Disambiguator
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From the article:

"Yet, despite its benefits and growing popularity, biodiesel might not be the fuel of the future because, as demand grows, the amount of land needed to produce the oils could become untenable, experts say."

I don't ever see a warning about this issue when the subject is ethanol, which is supposed to cover much of the US in new corn fields.

7 posted on 02/22/2007 7:28:15 AM PST by willgolfforfood
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What is the cost comparison to the consumer?
8 posted on 02/22/2007 7:30:03 AM PST by lormand (Michael Wiener - the tough talking populist moron, who claims to be a Conservative)
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 California has hundreds of miles of Pacific Ocean coast, practically unlimited farmland, water, and sunshine for fuel algae production. And it's close to where the fuel is needed.
 
California also has millions of barrels of oil a few miles offshore, easy to get to. Florida has huge clean burning natural gas deposits, Massachusetts has hundred of miles of windfarm optimum coast but all of those will get used about the same time the enviro-whackos allow a million acres of algae farming off the California coast.

9 posted on 02/22/2007 7:30:04 AM PST by azcap
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Someone was telling me that you can use vegetable oil in a regular engine? Is it that simple? Much of her science is totally bogus, so I took this with a grain of salt. And frankly, if it's big in Berkeley, I am really suspicious (having lived there for a number of years).


10 posted on 02/22/2007 7:30:50 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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OK, cancel the questions. I could jsut read the article ....


13 posted on 02/22/2007 7:34:35 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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How long before we are warned of the dangers of inhaling second-hand transfats?


14 posted on 02/22/2007 7:35:26 AM PST by Bob Buchholz
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Everything I ever wanted to know about biodiesel, except...
The important stuff like...
How much does it cost?

Oils could be extracted using chemical solvents, enzymes, expeller presses, osmotic shock or ultrasonic shock waves.
Where does this come from, and is it solar powered? How much to these auxiliary "precesses" cost? What are the byproducts?

47 percent fewer particulates but 10 percent more nitrogen oxides.

Isn't his the nastiest stuff when it comes to the ***dreaded*** ozone hole? Won't cancers skyrocket?

Biodiesel appealed to the marginal members of society who would get it for free!
Bet that isn't happening much these days!
So many questions...
So few real answers.

17 posted on 02/22/2007 7:39:20 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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The graphic above shows the prodution process using water to "wash" the biodiesel. This produces a unwanted "dirty" by-product. Our company has recently worked with a company called Greenline Industries which has a waterless system which is a very atractive aspect of their system. Check them out at this site:

http://www.greenlineindustries.com

What is interesting is that biodiesel can be made from almost any vegetable oil and is considered to be non-toxic and does not have the Haz-Mat issues that normal fuel has.


20 posted on 02/22/2007 7:44:22 AM PST by Herkyman
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Is Biodiesel not a hydrocarbon? The typical petroleum product would have a C(n)H(2n+2) structure. Is the stoichiometry that different for Biodiesel that there can be a resultant 48% reduction in CO2?

Doesn't the concept that fuels which are 'grown' are 'carbon neutral' require one to conclude that the earth's plant life can soak up any additional CO2 produced by any means? Isn't that CO2 soaked up in additional plant life regardless of whether or not we then convert that plant life back into a fuel?


26 posted on 02/22/2007 8:07:18 AM PST by posterchild (Ad astra per aspera)
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Where I grew up in southwest Michigan, there are lakes that were originally 60+ feet deep, and now are little more than swamps. The muck is mainly dead vegetable matter. I wonder if that could be a huge source of biodiesel. It would restore some great fishing and boating, so it would be worth it even if it was a break-even proposition.

I assume it's not anywhere near cost-effective at this time, because searching the Internet I see no interest in it.

29 posted on 02/22/2007 8:36:54 AM PST by FlyVet
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As a 30-year mechanic, I love diesel engines and the idea of running bio-diesel is very attractive. But as usual the devil is in the details.

I did some research lately and I won't bore everyone with the math. But the fact is that if we converted every acre of farm land in the US to production of rapeseed (canola), which is one of the highest oil yielding plants that is also suitable to be grown in all climatic areas of the US, it would NOT amount to enough bio-diesel to replace even the amount of diesel we currently use in this country.

That is if we use ALL of our farmland to produce bio-diesel!

We obviously won't be able to do that.

The salt water algae is interesting, but even if the greens were to allow it, I highly doubt that all of the California coast would be suitable for growing that crop. So the question there is: What are the requirements for algea-culture and is there enough SUITABLE ocean to grow it in?

There are other issues as well, but as far as I can see, the best we can hope for with bio-diesel or ethanol is to supplement petroleum and other technologies. That in it's self, though, is a valuable consideration because it can be used to offset much of what we import from the middle east, which means we would be giving fewer dollars to the Mussies who seek to destroy us!

That's the realistic view.

Goodbye farm subsidies hello bio-diesel!
30 posted on 02/22/2007 9:05:47 AM PST by Liberty Rattler (Don't tread on me!)
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"Long but good article on biodiesel, likely to become our primary transportation fuel."

Those are your words, so, in light of the facts in the article, to wit:

Yet, despite its benefits and growing popularity, biodiesel might not be the fuel of the future because, as demand grows, the amount of land needed to produce the oils could become untenable, experts say.

and,

They're focusing primarily on four types of high-oil algae.....that could be cultivated in farms or ponds. Oils could be extracted using chemical solvents, enzymes, expeller presses, osmotic shock or ultrasonic shock waves.

The terms "might not" and all the coulda, woulda, shouldas, together with those coulda, woulda, shouldas being as yet unproven economically do not make this report identify a "likely" alternative, at this point.

Too much theoretical at this point, in spite of your hype and spin with "likely"; so do you have an investment in some firm you hope will profit from the idea?

California has hundreds of miles of Pacific Ocean coast, practically unlimited farmland, water, and sunshine for fuel algae production. And it's close to where the fuel is needed.

You don't really know California do you? I grew up there.

It does not have "unlimited farmland". In fact, since almost every naturally great acre of farmland in California is presently farmed (or in the path of development), other farmers seeking land have flooded the desert between Arizona and the urban areas of Southern California with Colorado river water. But, since it is not a natural process, with 100% irrigated farming on a totally flat plain, the land becomes poorer and more toxic every year (salt simply builds up).

Except for the Pacific Ocean water, usable water, is hotly contested across the state. Southern California has none. It gets all its usable water from far east at the Colorado River and from a canal that runs all the way from the Sacramento Valley to just north of San Diego. Of course the Northern half of the State thinks the Southern half is stealing more water than it is due, and Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico all think California gets more Colorado river water than it is due. Its not plentiful, its precious, every drop; and between the current landowners and water authorities every drop is allocated and accounted for. Anyone wanting to add to the "productive" use of water for farms in California is going to have to compete and contend with everyone else who already has their water rights established. So, water is not going to be cheap, and if this new idea expects to use more of the deserts of California for its farms, that water that is available will become even more expensive.

Now the lovely liberal "greens" in Massachusettes won't let anyone put wind farms off their pristine coast, so do you really think the Hollywierd crowd is going to let anyone force them to sail their sail boats and yuaghts through algae farms?? I don't think so, and they are certainly not going to let those farms anywhere near the beaches.

As they say: California Dreamin.

32 posted on 02/22/2007 9:24:29 AM PST by Wuli
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Good news--Big Oil is investing in biodiesel. Looks like a winner and unwholesome profits forever.


34 posted on 02/22/2007 9:27:13 AM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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It seems to me that if we require them to cut down on combustible fuel use in India and China, then people in the US will not need to be concerned with these problems.


44 posted on 02/22/2007 10:17:02 AM PST by Sam Franklin (So what have we learned?)
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I live in the SF Bay Area and have seen biodiesel people driving their cars. A senior engineer at my work drives one. The tedchnology is pretty cool, but the downside that I've seen is that almost everyone I've seen driving a converted biodiesel car made one out of a late-'70s/early-'80s Mercedes land tank.

The engine in those klunky old whales is probably freshly rebuilt, but the actual vehicle they use is worn out and low tech.

Hot Rod magazine had a story where a guy made a new diesel Dodge Durango truck into a 200-mph speed machine that got 30mpg on the highway and had 700+ft/lbs of torque. If Biodiesel produced that kind of power, I'd actively cheer it on.

I will get back to you all when I find out if an eco-terrorist would key the paint on a biodiesel SUV or just stand there puzzled at a loss of what to do.

61 posted on 02/23/2007 9:10:40 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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