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""Electable" gave us Bob Dole as the Republican candidate. Supporting the conservative right-wing kook gave us President Reagan. I rest my case."

That's not the whole story. In 1996 things were reasonably well and Clinton had some decent approval ratings so there is really no surprise then that Clinton, has the incumbent in favorable conditions, won. In 1980 the country was in a mess and Carter's approval ratings were low. Its no surprise he lost. Bozo the Clown could have beat him. Unless Iraq turns 180 degrees in the next year we are going to be entering an election year with an unpopular incumbent Republican President which favors the Democrats big time. Its going to take a more than John Doe conservative to win next year. I believe Rudy is the only one that can win.

"I believe Rudy is the only one that can win. "

Thoughtful people are not likely to support a man with no foreign policy experience, no military experience either in civilian leadership or as a member, and no intelligence experience to lead us in the war against the terrorists...

Of course, idiots ( not 'thoughtful people') are the majority in any election so I'm not ruling Rudy out yet! Many people do know his name, and his present favorable poll numbers ar not to be sneezed at .

But he has even more negatives than just his well-documented liberalism to overcome. The longer he waits to renounce his liberalism and start addressing his other shortcomings the more his campaign looks like a disaster on the way.

"That's not the whole story. In 1996 things were reasonably well and Clinton had some decent approval ratings so there is really no surprise then that Clinton, has the incumbent in favorable conditions, won. In 1980 the country was in a mess and Carter's approval ratings were low. Its no surprise he lost. Bozo the Clown could have beat him. Unless Iraq turns 180 degrees in the next year we are going to be entering an election year with an unpopular incumbent Republican President which favors the Democrats big time. Its going to take a more than John Doe conservative to win next year. I believe Rudy is the only one that can win."

More likely is he's one of the few Republican wannabes who would actually lose to Hillary. He agrees with her across the board on half the issues. Apparently you are saying if Giuliani runs on abortion rights, gay rights, gun control, global warming, illegal immigration, he'll pickup more liberal, democrat and swing votes than he loses to the Christian right and right-wing conservatives?

But I've got to ask why you think liberals, Democrats and the too dumb to vote crowd would vote for him when he's FOR the WAR in IRAQ and FOR the Bush TAX CUTS? Huh? They're not going to vote for the half man half liberal when they can get the WHOLE HOG with Hillary.