[dirtboy]

If the Ds run a flip-flopper like Hilly, and the Rs run 'Americas Mayor' who has a rep for doing a great job cleaning things up -- there are many, many Ds who will cross over.

No proof of that in electoral history. Bush was can-do as Gulf War I showed. Clinton was a hick governor. But Bush drifted left and split his own party.

You're pretending Rudy has *no* other plusses.

What is his main plus that is being promoted by his followers? That he is pro-war. How will that pull in Dems and Indies when those groups get dramatically more anti-war the further left you go?

You're clearly dead wrong.

I'm the one pointing to facts and history. All you have is your opinion that is not supported by current reality.

[Dominic Harr]

I'm the one pointing to facts and history.

You're ignoring facts and history.

1. These folks are Ds, so they do vote for pro-choice candidates when they think that person is the best choice.

   This fact proves your assertion that they'll refuse to vote for Rudy based on pro-choice dead wrong.

2. Rudy's greatest asset amongst most people is the fact that he did a good job cleaning up NYC. He proved to be a good govt manager, strong on crime, etc.

   You're ignoring that completely.

Good luck with that.