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Assault or hunting rifles? You decide (a Zumbo clone spouts off)
Lake County News-Sun ^
| February 22, 2007
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Posted on 02/22/2007 5:37:12 AM PST by holymoly
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To: holymoly
With a minimal investment of $150-$200 on rifle, ammo, etc., and $25 for permits, a man can put a hell of a lot of venison in his freezer, to feed his kids.With that same rifle, that man can also protect his family against the unknown. I suspect that fact makes certain people uncomfortable.
Well, that's too bad. The 2A isn't about hunting.
BTW, I won't be using the term "Fudds" any more. It's time to patch our wounds, forgive, and keep our collective eyes on the ball: HR 1022.
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posted on
02/22/2007 6:37:24 AM PST
by
AngryJawa
({NRA}{IDPA} GO HUNTER '08)
To: holymoly
"AR-15 with a 30 round clip fires .22LR rounds which are not allowed in some areas for deer hunting because they don't have enough stoping power."
Wow, three misstatements in one sentence:
1) They are BOX MAGAZINES not clips. (Stripper) clips are what you use to LOAD magazines
2) The AR uses the NATO 5.56 x 45mm (.223 REM) round not .22 LR
3) The bullet has plenty of stopping power. It tumbles once inside the body, producing some pretty awful wounds. Granted, at 62 gr vs 168 gr for a .30 round it will not have the knockdown but it has plenty of stopping power for a neck or head shot.
This guy is a first class idiot
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posted on
02/22/2007 6:44:28 AM PST
by
stm
(Believe 1% of what you hear in the drive-by media and take half of that with a grain of salt)
To: AngryJawa
BTW, I won't be using the term "Fudds" any more. It's time to patch our wounds, forgive, and keep our collective eyes on the ball: HR 1022.I agree.
I'll also be steering people ambivalent about semi-autos to the Brady Campaign blog entry, I posted earlier.
Perhaps, when they realize just what is at stake, they'll understand why stopping H.R. 1022 is important to all of us, "hunter" and "gun-owner" alike.
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posted on
02/22/2007 6:44:47 AM PST
by
holymoly
(Who's "Jim Zumbo", you ask? He's Sarah Bradys' sock-puppet.)
To: holymoly
This attitude of the Zumbo/Elmer Fudds just completely mystifies me.It's just snobbery, plain and simple. A snobbery caused by decades of being completely insulated from real life by an endless river of free stuff and unlimited expense accounts. To these guys, if you're not using a custom built, gold inlaid, engraved over-under that costs as much as a fully optioned out SUV, you're a redneck savage, and what you're doing isn't "hunting."
I'll bet if you did a quick survey, you'd find that Zumbo and every one of his pals at Outdoor Life voted for John Kerry in 2004, based largely on those ridiculous photo op pictures of him hunting geese with his dog pointing the wrong way and posing in a shooting stance that looked more like he was getting ready to take a dump.
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posted on
02/22/2007 6:46:41 AM PST
by
CFC__VRWC
(Go Gators! NCAA Football and Basketball Champions!)
To: holymoly
But then I go back around to deceased Chicago columnist Mike Royko's column where he suggested that the best in home security for grandma would be hand grenades. If grandma heard someone in the basement, why take the chance of confronting the intruder with a shotgun, or any type of gun. I hadn't thought of it, but this IS a good idea.
To: stm
The AR uses the NATO 5.56 x 45mm (.223 REM) round not .22 LRActually, there is (or was) a .22LR conversion for the AR-15.
Victor Arms V-22 Conversion
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posted on
02/22/2007 6:55:19 AM PST
by
holymoly
(Who's "Jim Zumbo", you ask? He's Sarah Bradys' sock-puppet.)
To: Red Boots
I think I would opt for concussion grenades over frags though!
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posted on
02/22/2007 6:56:03 AM PST
by
stm
(Believe 1% of what you hear in the drive-by media and take half of that with a grain of salt)
To: holymoly
I know, but who in the world would hunt anything but squirrels with it?
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posted on
02/22/2007 6:56:55 AM PST
by
stm
(Believe 1% of what you hear in the drive-by media and take half of that with a grain of salt)
To: FreeInWV
He might be a great hunting guru but he imploded in slow motion. The amazing response made me feel optimism about the currents in this country. The author of this article is a fool hoping to exploit a rift between hunters and shooters that doesn't exist in fact.
To: holymoly
Shepherd says Zumbo's opinion is common in hard core hunter circles.This is true...they're elitist snobs and FOOLS and IDIOTS. A lot of them are Democrats who really buy into the BIG LIE that the gun grabbers will stop with the ugly black rifles....
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posted on
02/22/2007 7:01:52 AM PST
by
ExSoldier
(Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
To: stm
I know, but who in the world would hunt anything but squirrels with it?Ya' got me.
Squirrels, rabbits, and maybe plinking (shooting pennies, rather than nickles and dimes).
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posted on
02/22/2007 7:04:29 AM PST
by
holymoly
(Who's "Jim Zumbo", you ask? He's Sarah Bradys' sock-puppet.)
To: stm
I would love to hunt with my M-1 Garand but I cannot find enbloc's that only hold 5 rounds. You can get 'em online at the following link:
http://www.m1garandrifle.com/Garandparts.htm
Scroll down to part no. G76a. I've used them (in 2-round mode; they're "reversible") in service rifle competition, which requires 10-round shot strings.
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posted on
02/22/2007 7:04:29 AM PST
by
Charles Martel
(Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
To: stm
I would love to hunt with my M-1 Garand but I cannot find enbloc's that only hold 5 rounds.Try here: CHEAPER THAN DIRT
I got a ton of hunting CLIPS for my Garand from these guys. Or if you have to, you can take a Dremel to your clips and just cut them down to only accept 5rds.
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posted on
02/22/2007 7:05:13 AM PST
by
ExSoldier
(Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
To: CFC__VRWC
"It's just snobbery, plain and simple. A snobbery caused by decades of being completely insulated from real life by an endless river of free stuff and unlimited expense accounts."
The people that own the range that I shoot at were offered a large amount of money for the purchase and maintenance by a group of local Docs and Lawyers. They wanted to take it private and keep the riff raff out. This is the same with hunting. The UberRich really don't want average Joe to be able to hunt on public land they want the game to come to their private corn plots on their private land. We can't afford the arguments between groups. The well connected will always have their guns. Just ask Rudy and many actors in NYC. Just not the average Joe.
To: Neo-Luddite
He might be a great hunting guru but he imploded in slow motion.Nothing slow-motion at all about Zumbo's implosion. Within two days of that blog post, his two major sponsors had pulled the plug on him, and if it hadn't been a holiday weekend, I believe he would have been out on his ass even sooner. We blowed him up real good.
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posted on
02/22/2007 7:13:12 AM PST
by
CFC__VRWC
(Go Gators! NCAA Football and Basketball Champions!)
To: holymoly
Excellent post/point. Also, "hunters" need to realize that, to the anti-gunners, a gun is a gun is a gun. If they doubt this, I suggest they read this entry at the Brady Campaign blog: The tragic proliferation of Sniper Rifles Once the evil semi-automatic "assault rifles" are gone, their equally evil bolt-action, scoped "sniper rifles" will be next. The zumbos just don't get it.The brady bunch and their allies want all guns and weapons banned
People need to look at what england has become after its gun bans.its only because the US public is armed that it's not happened here
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posted on
02/22/2007 7:15:43 AM PST
by
Charlespg
(Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
To: AngryJawa
With that same rifle, that man can also protect his family against the unknown. I suspect that fact makes certain people uncomfortable.He can also protect them against an oppressive government, the original intent of the 2nd amendment.
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posted on
02/22/2007 7:17:08 AM PST
by
MichiganConservative
(Your government is your freedom's biggest enemy.)
To: holymoly
BTW The AR-15 uses magazines, not clipsIt also uses centerfire ammunition not rim fire 22LRs.
To: A Strict Constructionist
We can't afford the arguments between groups. The well connected will always have their guns. Just ask Rudy and many actors in NYC. Just not the average Joe.Agreed, and what that means is we have to convince these guys who consider themselves hard core hunters that the Jim Zumbos of the world do not have their best interests at heart when they encourage them to consider owners of "black rifles" to be "terrorists" whose weapons should be banned "for the good of hunting."
Like you said, the super rich and connected will always have their "sporting arms", and Jim Zumbo and his limousine liberals in Realtree pals will always get invitations to come up and hunt their land in exchange for a favorable column in Outdoor Life. Even after the Brady Bunch and their hired politicians, after taking away our "evil black rifles", take away the hunters' "high powered, scoped sniper rifles."
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posted on
02/22/2007 7:26:16 AM PST
by
CFC__VRWC
(Go Gators! NCAA Football and Basketball Champions!)
To: stm; holymoly
...who in the world would hunt anything but squirrels with it? First, dedicated rimfire upper assemblies for the AR are available from several sources. AR-15.com has a "rimfire and pistol calibers" forum where more details can be had.
Second, I believe that the idea is to allow AR shooters to get in more trigger time with the cheapest and most widely available ammo on the planet. The more you use the same sights, trigger, safety and so on, the better.
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posted on
02/22/2007 7:49:53 AM PST
by
Charles Martel
(Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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