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Geffen-Clinton snit tests Obama (HOLLYWOOD RATFIGHT ERUPTS)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | February 22, 2007 | LYNN SWEET Washington Bureau Chief

Posted on 02/22/2007 4:17:14 AM PST by Chi-townChief

He benefits from their name-calling, but is it 'cheap political points'?

LOS ANGELES -- As he seeks the Democratic presidential nomination, Sen. Barack Obama is campaigning against "the smallness of our politics" and "scoring cheap political points." It would seem, then, that Team Obama has a higher self-imposed standard when it comes to responding to shots, even cheap ones, lobbed at the Illinois Democrat. It makes life on the trail much tougher, but that's the high-minded course Obama set for himself.

The volley aimed at Obama came Wednesday via a live-fire e-mail from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign. The New York Democrat was filleted by movie mogul David Geffen in an interview he gave to New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd. Geffen co-hosted Tuesday's glitzy $1.3 million Beverly Hills fund-raiser for Obama, followed by a dinner at his home where a small group of the best donors got to mingle with Obama and his wife, Michelle.

Geffen was once close to the Clintons, Bill and Hillary.

No more.

Not the chairman "Everyone in politics lies, but they do it with such ease, it's troubling," Geffen told Dowd. Clinton's chief spokesman, Howard Wolfson, read Dowd's column and zapped out a demand that Obama "disavow personal attacks" Geffen delivered in Wolfson's morning paper.

"While Senator Obama was denouncing slash-and-burn politics yesterday, his campaign's finance chair was viciously and personally attacking Senator Clinton and her husband," Wolfson said.

"If Senator Obama is indeed sincere about his repeated claims to change the tone of our politics, he should immediately denounce these remarks, remove Mr. Geffen from his campaign and return his money."

Geffen, however, is not Obama's finance chairman. That title goes to Chicago billionaire Penny Pritzker. Geffen is not part of the Obama campaign. His main role is as major fund-raiser, a job he completed, at least for now, Tuesday night.

Obama's response came from his chief spokesman, Robert Gibbs.

"We aren't going to get in the middle of a disagreement between the Clintons and someone who was once one of their biggest supporters. It is ironic that the Clintons had no problem with David Geffen when he was raising them $18 million and sleeping at their invitation in the Lincoln bedroom. It is also ironic that Senator Clinton lavished praise on Monday and is fully willing to accept today the support of South Carolina state Sen. Robert Ford, who said if Barack Obama were to win the nomination, he would drag down the rest of the Democratic Party because 'he's black.'"

Crazy like a fox? Gibbs reminded everyone of the mid-1990s Lincoln bedroom Clinton campaign finance scandals. He also injected a racial element by bringing up Ford. Clinton and Obama are clearly concerned about how they are being defined in the opening weeks of their White House campaigns.

Gibbs reacted exactly as most would in his shoes: He took it to the next level and smashed back.

Wolfson drew attention to a devastating Clinton column that probably would have had a short shelf life if he let it alone, a seemingly bizarre tactic.

But Wolfson may be crazy like a fox. Gibbs' hardball response, the Clinton team seems to be betting, may serve to show that the Obama campaign may not be as different as it claims.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: davidgeffen; geffen; hillary; lefties; obama; rats
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To: Ramcat
The MSM will turn their guns on one of them at some point. I'm still betting they don't have the courage to turn on the Clintons as of yet.
41 posted on 02/22/2007 5:24:12 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan

And the American body politic is in need of a Toon exorcism.


42 posted on 02/22/2007 5:24:15 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Chi-townChief

Why do I think this is all a set-up for Hillary to eventually make nice-nice and put B. Hussien Obama on the ticket?


43 posted on 02/22/2007 5:27:44 AM PST by MrRights
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To: mainepatsfan
The MSM will turn their guns on one of them at some point. I'm still betting they don't have the courage to turn on the Clintons as of yet.

as soon as the sharks smells blood, the msm will turn on hillary is my bet....too much baggage will be the claim

44 posted on 02/22/2007 5:28:09 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: Ramcat
Just stating the obvious, but, Obama is the only one permitted to "take it to the Clintons" without being ravaged by the media for doing so.

Reminds me of one of those RealTV specials on FOX... When Sacred Cows Collide!

45 posted on 02/22/2007 5:28:57 AM PST by gridlock (Isn't it peculiar that matter what the problem, the government's solution is always "more taxes".)
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To: Revelation 911
If they come to the conclusion that she can't win they will indeed. What delicious irony it would be to finally watch the Clintons destroyed by the MSM.
46 posted on 02/22/2007 5:29:29 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: AppyPappy; rhombus; dead
"I can't help but think this whole media event is being staged by the Clinton War Room."

- Yes, something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
While Geffen may be a political innocent, he is the consummate insider; a shrewd business man who has made millions in the entertainment field where he would have to have a pretty good antenna to spot liars, blow-hards and phonies in order to survive. He must know that Obama's candidacy lacks any substance.
That's why it's hard to believe that such a shrewd judge of character could even believe that Barak Hussein could have a snowballs chance in hell of ever defeating the Clinton's, who have a proven track record of deceit and dirty tricks.
I believe that the Clinton's have done their polling and know that B.O. hasn't a chance when it comes to the primaries but in the meantime they are using him as a stalking horse to promote controversy and keep Hitlery continually in the news until the time comes to pull the plug on him.
Geffen, a back room boy if there ever was one, may just be goosing the controversy to help the cause.
If Geffen is still supporting Obama and trashing Hitlery a year from now, I might begin to believe he is sincere.
47 posted on 02/22/2007 5:51:02 AM PST by finnigan2
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To: gridlock
And then Clinton pardoned Marc Rich and Pincus Green for lots and lots of cash, and that kind of PO'ed Geffen.

Not only lots and lots of cash but also some action from Mrs. Rich................

48 posted on 02/22/2007 5:54:16 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: finnigan2

Geffen was close enough to the Clinton's to know the scoop about them. I suspect he thinks that Hillary can't win. I think he is wrong. He also knows that any squabbles can be cleared up with money later.


49 posted on 02/22/2007 5:55:04 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Chi-townChief
Obama was shown in multiple instances in California shaking hands with ordinary people on the street and talking at ease with journalists in off-the-cuff interviews about this issue.

The typical Hillary response came in a 1-on-1 (ie tightly scripted) interview with Stepanopolis, not in a public impromptu comment to journalists.

I think this is an indication that Hillary can't stand the heat and she's got a political glass jaw.

(Obama vs Condi in 2008?)

50 posted on 02/22/2007 5:59:08 AM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: AppyPappy

Will there be a Rat versus Rat debate? That would be worth the price a admission.


51 posted on 02/22/2007 6:00:53 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: finnigan2; AppyPappy

I was reading back in the archives. Geffen was really angry with the Clintons over what he saw as a betrayal over Leonard Peltier. Apparently Clinton promised Geffen and his friends that he would grant clemency to Peltier way back in 1991, before he was ever elected President. Then Clinton strung them all along for the next nine years, and stiffed them at the very end.

This could be a rift between Geffen and the Clintons that is beyond bridging. I read this at face value, that Geffen is supporting Obama because Obama is the best chance to beat the Clintons.

I guess the enemy of my enemy is my friend (for now)...


52 posted on 02/22/2007 6:03:14 AM PST by gridlock (Isn't it peculiar that matter what the problem, the government's solution is always "more taxes".)
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To: SteveH
(Obama vs Condi in 2008?)

I like it!

53 posted on 02/22/2007 6:04:19 AM PST by gridlock (Isn't it peculiar that matter what the problem, the government's solution is always "more taxes".)
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To: Chi-townChief

54 posted on 02/22/2007 6:10:49 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Breaking News!! AP: Washington, DC. Hollywood mogul, David Geffen, was found dead in Fort Marcy Park, an apparent suicide. A car with AK plates was seen leaving the parking lot shortly before the body was found.

Federal Park Police Captain, Craig Livingstone, said that even though a severed horse's head was found next to Geffen's body, he believes it was a simple case of suicide.

55 posted on 02/22/2007 6:17:17 AM PST by Doc Savage ("You couldn't tame me, but you taught me.................")
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To: finnigan2
I might begin to believe he is sincere.

unless he is posturing for influence - support obama now - wait til he has a gaffe, then throw the support behind hillary, garnering an indebtedness

56 posted on 02/22/2007 6:31:40 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: finnigan2

By creating a supposed fight between Clinton and Obama it elevates the status of Obama perhaps making him seem more acceptable in the VP slot.


57 posted on 02/22/2007 6:35:33 AM PST by rhombus
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To: mewzilla

That was '98. Their split occurred in 2000, when clinton pardoned the seditious sleaze Marc Rich, but not Leonard Peltier, Geffen's guy.

It would be interesting to see a comparison of the Rich and Geffen money in the clinton coffers to that point....


58 posted on 02/22/2007 7:00:47 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Chi-townChief

Can you imagine the tongue thrashing Billy Boy is getting for not pardoning Geffen's friend? Yikes!


59 posted on 02/22/2007 7:02:03 AM PST by Lets Be Frank
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To: finnigan2; rhombus
I had the same initial instincts as you two. Much as those egomaniacs fancying themselves as America's kingmakers like to believe they can manipulate public opinion with their lavish Beverly Hills fundraisers, the reality is that an endorsement from the Hollywood elite is a net liability for a candidate when it comes to the electorate nationally. Lots of democrats and independants in flyover country think they're as arrogant & out-to-lunch as the rest of us do.

Is it possible that this was staged to distance Hillary from Hollyweird for the benefit of mainstream voters? The only problem with our scenario is that Geffen's statement was just so devastatingly accurate.

Because his slam is so dead-on target it vividly reminds everyone of the reasons for Mrs. Clinton's well-earned rep as a compulsive "congenital liar" who reflexively fibs even when it's in her own best interest to tell the truth. Geffen's hit harms her much more than it helps her with the electorate at large because it plucks her biggest liability out from the underneath blanket of media obscurity & elevates it front & center for public scrutiny once again.

So if this indeed was a sneaky machiavellian effort by the Clinton War Room to give Hillary the chance to shake off the "nuts & sluts" stigma of a Hollywood endorsement, it sure seems like a really dumb way to do it. No, I think Geffen has genuinely arrived at the conclusion that he just can't stand the sight of the lying bi!@# anymore.

60 posted on 02/22/2007 7:04:09 AM PST by leilani
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