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Rudolph Giuliani?
American Thinker ^ | February 21, 2007 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 02/20/2007 10:24:10 PM PST by neverdem

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To: Blackirish
I will vote for who ever the Repubs nominate

That is a dangerous mind set.

If the GOP nominated someone with the philosophy of David Duke, would you vote for him? I doubt that, you're smarter than that and so are most Republicans.

However, the criteria for who we vote for to be our President is quite honestly NOT the party label that a candidate may be sporting, our criteria should be WHICH candidate is going to 'preserve, protect and defend' the Constitution of the United States.

In addition, We The People need to be examining the candidates to determine their moral fiber and their suitability to be President of the United States.

America elected President Horndog in 1992 AND in 1996, and the moral fallout from that exercise in foolishness is still being felt throughout the land.

Quite honestly we elected a President in 2000 that most Republicans believed to be a conservative but that word 'compassionate' preceding 'conservative' should have been the first alarm bell.

Rush Limbaugh has made the comparison between the current Bush Administration and the Nixon Administration, not in the areas of scandal, but in the areas of attempting to make nice-nice with, and placate, the natural enemies of America on the left end of the political spectrum. The truth is, this Administration has abdicated any claim to be 'conservative' when we have such atrocities signed into law like the 'No Child Left Behind Act' which is nothing but rehashed LBJ-Great-Society style thinking that the federal government can 'cure' what ails American students. That is a lie, the 'Department of Education' is essentially nothing but a bag o' money and a megaphone for the NEA, and everyone knows it. And do I have to remind anyone about McCain-Feingold and the unconstitutional assault on the First Amendment? Our President signed that disgraceful legislation into law, perhaps thinking the Supreme Court would overturn it, but that was naive optimism at best, crass and failed political calculation at the worst.

And don't let even one person accuse ME of bashing President Bush, I have stood by my President even when I had to hold my nose because he IS the President even when I don't agree with him, and my votes for him in 2000 and in 2004 GIVE me the right to criticize him when I think he's off track.

Rudy Guiliani was a great mayor of New York City, cleaned it up right nice, as a prosecutor, his work was pretty top notch. As a cheerleader at the '04 GOP convention, his speech was a barn burner. Does that make him presidential material?

No. Based on his experience alone, he is in the same category as Mrs. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.

The fact is, there are two Republican Parties, one is the country-club, elite northeastern, Ivy League, big-government Rockefeller-style party, and then there is the party of Reagan/Goldwater ('64 vintage) which IS the party that won two of the largest landslides of the late 20th Century. And those landslides were won by a conservative Republican at the top of the ticket.

The worst thing that the GOP can do to conservative Republicans in this next election cycle (or ANY cycle) is to do what the Democrats have traditionally done to black Democrat voters in EVERY election cycle:

Take them for granted.
41 posted on 02/20/2007 11:56:50 PM PST by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: My2Cents

I'm not at all clear who these evil people are you are referring to.


42 posted on 02/20/2007 11:56:54 PM PST by FreePoster
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To: neverdem
Rudolph Giuliani?

Is that a threat?

43 posted on 02/20/2007 11:58:16 PM PST by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: neverdem

"Rudolph, are you running for President?"

44 posted on 02/21/2007 12:03:29 AM PST by Screamname (Guinness world records reports that the record for youngest living person is constantly being broken)
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To: My2Cents
I disagree with you.

There is nothing conservative about Rudy Giuliani and therefore nothing worth defending. He is a liberal. Since my earliest days on FR, FReepers have always attacked liberals. Rudy is no different in that regard. The incessant whining from the RudyBots has reached a fever pitch and indicates a level of sheer hysteria.
45 posted on 02/21/2007 12:04:09 AM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: neverdem

Being married three times will probably hurt him more than being liberal/moderate.


46 posted on 02/21/2007 12:07:07 AM PST by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Reagan Man; All; Spiff
There is nothing conservative about Rudy Giuliani and therefore nothing worth defending. He is a liberal. Since my earliest days on FR, FReepers have always attacked liberals. Rudy is no different in that regard. The incessant whining from the RudyBots has reached a fever pitch and indicates a level of sheer hysteria.

You are correct.

The following table alone demonstrates that Rudy Guiliani is aligned more closely with the positions of the Democrat Party than he is with the Republican Party:

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue
Giuliani Clinton Dem Platform GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion Supports
Opposed
NY ban
Supports Supports Opposes
Roe v. Wade Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment Opposes Opposes Opposes
Defined at
state level
Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/
Civil Unions
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Openly Gay Military Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship
for Illegal Aliens
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Tough Penalties for
Employers of Illegal Aliens
Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Sanctuary Cities/
Ignoring Immigration Law
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment Opposes
Opposes Opposes
Supports bans
Supports
Confiscating Guns Supports
Confiscated
as mayor.
Even bragged.
Supports Supports
Supports bans
Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban Supports Supports Supports  
Frivolous Lawsuits
Against Gun Makers
Supports
Filed One
Himself
Supports   Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses Supports Supports   Opposes
War in Afghanistan Supports Supports
Voted for it
Supports Supports
War in Iraq Supports Supports
Voted for it
Supports
Weak support
Supports
Patriot Act Supports Supports
Voted for it
2001 & 2006
Opposes Supports
"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

If anyone needed more evidence, even when the New York Republican Party put up a liberal Republican candidate for Governor (George Pataki), Rudy supported Mario Cuomo.

That speaks volumes right there.

Should Republicans support someone who chose the Democrat Mario Cuomo over the candidate of their own Party?

I say not only 'No', but *HELL NO*!!!
47 posted on 02/21/2007 12:09:40 AM PST by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: streetpreacher
Rudolph Giuliani?

"Is that a threat?"

It could be, but I'm not sure what threat you perceive. He is a statist.

48 posted on 02/21/2007 12:21:09 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: mkjessup
Your otherwise good post has this piercing lie .... No. Based on his experience alone, he is in the same category as Mrs. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.
49 posted on 02/21/2007 12:26:29 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: mkjessup
The fact is, there are two Republican Parties, one is the social right who is so absorbed with guns and abortion they do not know how to read a balance sheet and they cannot be trusted with the checkbook for a very long time.

The other is Rockefeller Republicans who are weak on social issues but are Yankee skinflints.

After blowing some 2-3 trillion dollars and getting absolutely nothing accomplished despite having all three branches of government...regarding ...tax reform....tort reform...entitlement reform....runaway spending...the social right has blown it....it is time for the Yankees to take the wheel.
50 posted on 02/21/2007 12:28:12 AM PST by Blackirish
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To: flashbunny
One can also have "flop sweat" while waiting in the wings, finally realizing that the play is a damned turkey.

People ( usually a BIG backer, who is allowed to sit in on the first reading ) can also get a terrible case of FLOP SWEAT.........long before the play actually opens! Sometimes the stink happens on the road. So yes, it IS possible to have a case of flop sweat VERY early on.

I grant you that it's a bit early on, for the use of the term; however, when someone/s are pinning their hopes on a nonexistent candidate or the hopes that someone will take off/catch fire, who deep down, they know won't, then NO, FLOP SWEAT is not all that much out of line.

Where were you the night I had to caution people about quoting the Scottish play, and what to do to remove the curse? LOL

51 posted on 02/21/2007 12:33:26 AM PST by nopardons
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To: My2Cents
and I see no distinction between them and the extreme leftists.

Can't see it because it isn't there - anyone can claim anything here; but the lies and exaggerations out them.
52 posted on 02/21/2007 12:33:44 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Blackirish

Bump!


53 posted on 02/21/2007 12:34:55 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
Your otherwise good post has this piercing lie .... No. Based on his experience alone, he is in the same category as Mrs. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.

That's no lie, that's the truth.

Rudy Guiliani's elective experience is confined to his years as Mayor of New York City. He has no military experience. He has very little national security experience. His homeland security connection (Bernie Kerik) is a bad punchline to an even worse joke. Rudy's experience as a prosecutor, while admirable, does not automatically confer presidential stature upon him.

My comparison to Obama and Clinton is valid, Mrs. Clinton is just now beginning the second term of her Senate career, before 2000, she had never held nor sought elective office. Barack Obama is just now beginning his first Senate term. When it comes to elective office, Rudy is right there between them.

Sorry the truth hurts, but the truth it is.
54 posted on 02/21/2007 12:35:36 AM PST by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: Democratshavenobrains

Then WHY won't it hurt Newt, whose wives, marriages, and divorces are far more messy than Rudy's, but who has become, for some on FR, the savior in waiting of the GOP?


55 posted on 02/21/2007 12:36:57 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Blackirish; All
The other is Rockefeller Republicans who are weak on social issues but are Yankee skinflints.

You must not know much about Nelson Rockefeller (from which that phrase was originated), as Nelson set new records for spending when he was Governor of New York.
56 posted on 02/21/2007 12:40:48 AM PST by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: mkjessup
Wrong - lies hurt! And THAT'S the truth.

My comparison to Obama and Clinton is valid

It's your opinion in your quest to trash Rudy - and that does not equate to truth.

Occupying a seat means diddly squat! WHAT HAVE THEY DONE? List their accomplishments!
57 posted on 02/21/2007 12:42:52 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Reagan Man

58 posted on 02/21/2007 12:47:06 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The Talented Mr. Romney: It's better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody)
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To: neverdem
Don't hold it against me; he was running against David Dinkins, a man who made Forrest Gump look smart.

I'm on record saying this campaign is way too early, and a million things could happen between now and 2008. But if Rudy should happen to be the GOP nominee, the choice will be exactly the same: the Democrat -- be it Hillary!, Obama or Edwards -- will be Dinkins. We can differ on whether we like Rudy, but no one in their right mind wants Dinkins running the country.

59 posted on 02/21/2007 12:48:01 AM PST by JennysCool ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -Mencken)
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To: Reagan Man

"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

60 posted on 02/21/2007 12:49:52 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The Talented Mr. Romney: It's better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody)
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