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The way to electoral suicide -- vote Giuliani
Agape Press via OneNewsNow.com ^ | 20 February 2007 | Matt Friedeman

Posted on 02/20/2007 9:54:39 AM PST by Spiff

The way to electoral suicide -- vote Giuliani

February 20, 2007

The Republicans, and even some socially conservative and evangelical leaders, are beginning to adjust to the possibility of former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani as the GOP nominee for president. But not all.

The Southern Baptist's Richard Land, for instance, predicts massive defections from Rudy in the event of a Rudy Giuliani vs. Hillary Clinton race. Hugh Hewitt, evangelical talk-meister in the syndicated stream of radio shows doubts this; "... If Rudy is persuasive on the judges he will nominate, he wouldn't have a problem with the social conservatives in the general election." So tell us you'll nominate the likes of Scalia, Roberts, and Alito to the Supreme Court, and we will line up behind you no matter your substantial views that run counter to the Judeo-Christian ethic, he and his handlers are undoubtedly thinking.

Well, I won't.

And I bet I speak for hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions when I say that I cannot in good conscience vote for a man with significant moral problems in his personal life, a radically wrong view of abortion (against it personally, but for women making their own pro-abortion choice), and oh-so-very Times Square and Hollywood on the issues of homosexual rights and guns (for and against, respectively).

Can't vote for him, even if his opponent is Hillary Rodham Clinton? No, I cannot.

Aw, c'mon, Team Republican says, nobody who purports to be socially conservative, evangelical, or who voted twice for Ronald Reagan will be able to muster a vote for Hillary over Rudy.

Probably right. But voting for her isn't the only option. When the electorate isn't excited about the candidates, they are capable of staying home -- particularly those who don't much care to think political thoughts 24/7 and are not enthused about the choices. There are others of us who will either leave the presidential portion of the ballot unmarked or decide for the first time in our lives to vote, say, the Constitution Party.

Next argument -- Then you'll just be putting Hillary into office. Next rebuttal -- No, rather, my precious vote won't be responsible for putting into office a man who thinks we will vote for him because he is best suited and capably prepared to keep America safe but can't guard his own soul from moral perdition.

But, in all of this, there is something else to think about. The President of the United States guides his own political party and its platform. And the party of President Rudy Giuliani will soon become the party of the same kind of governing mushiness that has absorbed the Democrats. Give the party to Rudy and the moral code and political sensibilities of Reagan are lost, perhaps for good.

Better to lose an election and reload ideologically than try to cheer on and take cues from a man with a worldview radically divergent from your own.

May the primaries be kind to the GOP; and kindness means Giuliani loses.

Matt Friedeman (mfriedeman@wbs.edu) is a professor at Wesley Biblical Seminary. Respond to this column at his blog: evangelismtoday.blogspot.com. Opinions expressed in 'Perspectives' columns published by OneNewsNow.com are the sole responsibility of the article's author(s), or of the person(s) or organization(s) quoted therein, and do not necessarily represent those of the staff or management of, or advertisers who support the American Family News Network, OneNewsNow.com, our parent organization or its other affiliates.



TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; desperate; duncanhunter; elections; giuliani; gungrabber; liberal; rino; spiffspam
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To: sofaman
What do you think sofaman...are these democrat party trolls?
161 posted on 02/20/2007 11:10:28 AM PST by GoforBroke
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To: taxcontrol

The only wake up call will be to the Islamist enemy who will thank you for helping elect Hitlery by sending you a thank you note laced with anthrax.


162 posted on 02/20/2007 11:11:20 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY ((((Truth shall set you free))))
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To: sitetest

....I get your drift...but you keep telling me WHAT they are going to do....which was my original post....yes, alot of Mods and Indep. are against the war.....on the other hand, alot are pro choice and still want a tough Pres on the WOT....I'm not dimissing what you are saying...but for every argument you come up with...I can come up with a salient point on the other sade....I'm not preaching for Rudy.....I'm saying that we can speculate but I for one am not going out on a limb and saying one group will or won't vote for anyone.....A piece from George Will or another condervative writer came out the other day and said the opposite....that many by now have heard of Rudy's views and his poll numbers keep going up......I just think it is a game of fools......and honestly, you don't have to try and convince me.....I'm looking at both sides.....


163 posted on 02/20/2007 11:12:53 AM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: from occupied ga
abortion...what exactly would a POTUS do to change the status quo?
Since we DO have a 2nd Amendment, what would or could a POTUS do to rescind that amendment?
Special privileges for homosexuals..like what? Civil Unions? What the hell do I care?

Now....we have a whole bunch of people that want to destroy this country....from Iran, to NK, to Russia and Al Qaeda (and yes, I do mean to include Russia)...we are in a war for our very existence, and I'm supposed get all bent out of shape over Gay Civil Unions?

I disagree with Rudy on his immigration stance. I am much more in agreement with Duncan Hunter on that score. Does that mean that if Giuliani is the nominee I will leave the party in a huff and run off to vote for Pat Buchanan, or Ross Perot or some other spoiler...and pontificate about how those who voted for Rudy as the nominee "split the party"...

So spare me your "clever" little barbs. I will listen and I will wait, and I will make up my mind once I have heard from all the candidates. I will NOT go off half-cocked, foaming at the mouth about that such and such a Republican who is in favor of Gay Civil Unions! Oh the horror!

164 posted on 02/20/2007 11:13:38 AM PST by sofaman ("The American people are tired of liars and people who pretend to be something they're not.")
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To: sofaman
So spare me your "clever" little barbs.

This is tripe...

165 posted on 02/20/2007 11:14:48 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: FreeInWV

....Oh, ok, you were speaking only of the Amish..in that case I defer to your Amish expertise....I thought it was a blanket statement.....by the way...since you brought it up, what do they think about the fact that Laura Bush is pro choice?.....do they hate her?....do they think George should get a divorce?...just curious


166 posted on 02/20/2007 11:14:48 AM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: sofaman

Perhaps. I'm more interested in the principles under which the country is governed. Give up the Republican party to the Liberals and you get Euroweenie USA or the USSA which is no more deserving of survival than Europe or the USSR.


167 posted on 02/20/2007 11:16:58 AM PST by Little Ray
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To: FreeInWV
liberal strongholds like New Hampshire

You don't live in the real world do you ? NH is very conservative. The state motto is live free or die. Taxes are low and so is state spending.

168 posted on 02/20/2007 11:17:00 AM PST by staytrue
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To: Jhensy
Yeah it's really disheartening to see this kind of behavior. I'll gladly match my very conservative credentials with any of them but at some point a person must use reason.

We haven't had my kind of candidate since Reagan, but I know that no matter how liberal Giulianni is, he ain't gonna be nearly as bad as any of the Democrats currently in the race. Not just Hillary, but Edwards, Gore, Obama-sama. All are nightmare's just waiting to happen.

For all those who are saying "It won't be our fault if you don't select someone Conservative enough, and we stay home." That's a total crock and you know it. It will be your fault completely and entirely. You can't just withdrew from the process and then claim it's not your fault.
169 posted on 02/20/2007 11:17:55 AM PST by Sudetenland
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To: GoforBroke; Spiff
Yes! abortion is wrong and we need to have R vs. W revisited.

It's ok. All these "good conscience" folk don't actually care about the babies that are aborted every day in this country, as can be seen on threads like this.

They don't actually want to do anything to stop abortion, they just let it happen every day while they post these holier-than-Rudy threads. If they did, then they would be working feverishly to do something today, or in 2004 or in 2000 or in 1981----instead, these people are going to wait until 2008 to strut their stuff---while more babies die.

They claim Ronald Reagan is what they want, yet he presided during a period when millions of children were aborted over the course of his governorship and presidency, yet he's given a pass, and Bush is given a pass because they both phone in to pro-life marches (so they can't be photographed in public with them).

But this time around, they're happy to let Hillary nationalize healthcare, which will mean that their federal taxes will pay directly for abortions while Hillary stacks the USSC with leftists.

Principled? Of course not. Just more irrational feel-gooders.

170 posted on 02/20/2007 11:18:34 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: RockinRight
The Italian-American vote in East Coast states would outweigh the loss of the Christian Right.

That's great! I'm Italian-American and I didn't know that it was a voting block now. I'll have to poll my relatives to see if they support Giuliani. I sure don't. I'm sure my father doesn't either.
171 posted on 02/20/2007 11:23:50 AM PST by conservatrice (Pass on the RINOs - Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: sam_paine

Sorry, but I'll hold up my actions in preventing abotion to yours any day. However, I would stop short of shooting an abortion Doctor.


172 posted on 02/20/2007 11:23:53 AM PST by GoforBroke
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To: GoforBroke
Not sure what it is. Amazing to me that we're all atwitter over abortion, gay rights, and gun control. Yet if we lose this war, none of that will matter.

The next POTUS can do zip, zero, nada about abortion, or gay rights or gun control....but they can defend this nation, they can cut taxes and they can do something about our borders that are ricidculouslt porous.

But they'd rather insult and threaten because Rudy supports Civil Unions...

173 posted on 02/20/2007 11:23:56 AM PST by sofaman ("The American people are tired of liars and people who pretend to be something they're not.")
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To: FreeInWV
So how do you reconcile this with Julie-Annie's blatant disrespect for the second amendment? How about his history of support for unconstitutional search & seizures. Which amendment is that again?

Not sure what you are referring to. He's not said anything I've seen lately that tells me he doesn't respect the 2d Amendment. Or do you want him to come out and promise an FA-18 in every driveway?

When I finally decide on a candidate, it will be for his overall platform of ideas and goals, his experience, and his chances against Hillary. But as I said, if WND and the other extremist publications are against him, that's already an endorsement I can consider.

174 posted on 02/20/2007 11:24:16 AM PST by MACVSOG68
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To: from occupied ga

aaahhhh another pearl of wisdom....


175 posted on 02/20/2007 11:24:46 AM PST by sofaman ("The American people are tired of liars and people who pretend to be something they're not.")
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To: RockinRight
The Italian-American vote in East Coast states would outweigh the loss of the Christian Right.

The Americans of Italian decent that I know aren't that stupid, in fact, most of them are devout Catholics that you would probably call the "Christian Right".

176 posted on 02/20/2007 11:25:07 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: Echo Talon

You are living in fantasy land my friend. IF, and that's a very big IF, Rudy gets nominated, you are in for a very rude awakening on election day 2008.


177 posted on 02/20/2007 11:26:20 AM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: Revelation 911
exactly which one is pro life & pro rkba and staunchly conservative ?

I can think of 4 right away. Tancredo, Hunter, Gilmore, and Paul. However, Paul is disqualified because he betrayed the troops last week and voted with the Democrats. He's against the WoT - but he still mostly fits your description. Personally, I'm keeping an eye on Gilmore and crossing my fingers that he gets something rolling and breaks away from the pack at the rear. He's conservative on all of the important issues, he looks like a presidential candidate (which is something Hunter has a problem with), he's got executive experience (which Hunter and Tancredo have problems with), and he doesn't have baggage (which is something Tancredo has a problem with). Check him out. That's the kind of candidate we should be getting behind. I'm not 100% in agreement with him on all issues, but almost.

178 posted on 02/20/2007 11:27:06 AM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: GoforBroke

Will you boycott your federal taxes when Hillary nationalizes healthcare/single-payer and your tax dollars are used to fund abortions? To fund RU486 prescriptions?


179 posted on 02/20/2007 11:27:22 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Spiff
Pure IDIOCY is spouted here.

A VOTE against any GOP candidate vs. Hillary is insanity at it's core!!

180 posted on 02/20/2007 11:27:42 AM PST by PISANO
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