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To: Vaquero
"FDR took a depression and by implimenting his Marxist diatribe, stretched it out 5-6 years more than if Hoover had stayed in office."

Had Hoover remained in office we would have had a real chance of a Marxist uprising. Its amazing to see how people are blind to the fact that Hoover had 3 years to deal with the Depression and failed miserably as the nation's morale slipped deeper and deeper into despair...

13 posted on 02/20/2007 8:30:20 AM PST by Al Simmons (Four-Time GWB Voter, 1994-2004....and proud of it!!)
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A suggestion from a trained hitorian:

Don't settle for reading revisionist history alone - search out the archives, the newspapers from the time to get the full flavor of the despair this nation was in when FDR took office - and see how he single-handedly turned that around, literally saving the nation from a far worse fate. Monday morning quarterbacking repeating dogma does not tend to lead to positive brain growth...

16 posted on 02/20/2007 8:33:09 AM PST by Al Simmons (Four-Time GWB Voter, 1994-2004....and proud of it!!)
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To: Al Simmons
Al, I agree that Hoover was hopeless and useless. FDR was forced to deal with a world-wide depression that was spinning out of control and he used tactics that worked even if they had their own negative effects. One could argue about the details and FDR's long range plans at socialism, but WWII came along and threw a lot of those plans out the window. Truman thankfully never went back to revisit them having seen first hand the evils of not just communism, but socialism as well.
33 posted on 02/20/2007 8:40:54 AM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Al Simmons
Hoover had the economy on the upswing...it was that Marxist Roosevelt who leveled it out and then PROVOKED the war to finally get the GMP up. Roosevelt was despicable...

National debt and gross national product climbs from 20% to 40% under Hoover; levels off under FDR; soars during World War II. From Historical Statistics US (1976)

43 posted on 02/20/2007 8:47:02 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Al Simmons

We instead had a disguised one, headed by Harry Hopkins. We know that quite a few FDR appointees and their staffs were outed as Soviet spies by the Venona project many years after McCarthy was incorrectly reviled as a Red baiter.

Today, communists in government are called Democrats who have assumed the mantle of the old Progressive Party. If you look at the goals of the Progressive Caucus in Congress, they mimic the goals of the Communist Party USA.

So we didn't have bloody purges or pogroms like the Soviets, Mao or Pol Pot, but we are sliding into socialism just the same. FDR just gave the communists a huge start on the process.

Hoover was totally wrong on the economy because he believed in corporatism and had a total misunderstanding of monetary policy. Read Murray Rothard on it and you'll have a better understanding of Hoover's mistakes.


78 posted on 02/20/2007 10:28:08 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Al Simmons

The full weight of the Depression was not felt until late 1931, and if Hoover's polices were not working, it was not for want of trying. He spent two years depending on the help of the business community, but he also was taking agressive and unprecedented federal action. Probably if he had continued in office he would have taken many of the same actions that Roosevelt did during the 100 Days. That said, FDR brought to the office the kind of personal leadership that Hoover could not. FDR failed, but despite his failures he ws never disheartened and he conveyed his courage to the American people. What did the guy say about FDR: Second rate intellect; first rate temperment? He made tons of mistakes and more at the end because he was pushing himself to the limit. TR junior worked himself to death in Normandy; FRD did the same. He never wore a uniform, but he was a great soldier. Salute!


124 posted on 02/20/2007 12:44:23 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Al Simmons

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1788521/posts


153 posted on 02/21/2007 8:23:04 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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