>>Just as one must look beyond CO2 alone as to explain all that happens in earth's atmosphere as regards climate here.<<
I'll come back to the rest but I hope you don't think we have a disagreement on this point.
>>Just as one must look beyond CO2 alone as to explain all that happens in earth's atmosphere as regards climate here.<<
I'll come back to the rest but I hope you don't think we have a disagreement on this point.
I'd hope not :O)
Bringing us back to earth, and why Venus is not a very useful analog for earth climate effects even on the subject of clouds.
As can be seen here, cloud altitude as well as composition have a great deal to do with their effect with regard heating and cooling the surface, in fact is at the the core of the problems in predicting what we can expect of the evolution of earth's climate.
Cloud-Radiative Forcing and Climate: Results from the Earth Radiation Budget Experiment
Science 6 January 1989:
Vol. 243. no. 4887, pp. 57 - 63
V. RAMANATHAN 1, R. D. CESS 2, E. F. HARRISON 3, P. MINNIS 3, B. R. BARKSTROM 3, E. AHMAD 4, and D. HARTMANN 51 Professor in the Department of Geophysical Sciences, University of Chicago, Chicago, IL 60637.
2 Professor at the Institute for Atmospheric Sciences, State University of New York at Stony Brook, Stony Brook, NY 11794.
3 Atmospheric Sciences Division, NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA 23665.
4 Department of Geophysical Sciences, University of Chicago, Chicago, IL 60637.
5 Professor in the Department of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195.The study of climate and climate change is hindered by a lack of information on the effect of clouds on the radiation balance of the earth, referred to as the cloud-radiative forcing. Quantitative estimates of the global distributions of cloud-radiative forcing have been obtained from the spaceborne Earth Radiation Budget Experiment (ERBE) launched in 1984. For the April 1985 period, the global shortwave cloud forcing [-44.5 watts per square meter (W/m2)] due to the enhancement of planetary albedo, exceeded in magnitude the longwave cloud forcing (31.3 W/m2) resulting from the greenhouse effect of clouds. Thus, clouds had a net cooling effect on the earth. This cooling effect is large over the mid-and high-latitude oceans, with values reaching -100 W/m2. The monthly averaged longwave cloud forcing reached maximum values of 50 to 100 W/m2 over the convectively disturbed regions of the tropics. However, this heating effect is nearly canceled by a correspondingly large negative shortwave cloud forcing, which indicates the delicately balanced state of the tropics. The size of the observed net cloud forcing is about four times as large as the expected value of radiative forcing from a doubling of CO2. The shortwave and longwave components of cloud forcing are about ten times as large as those for a CO2 doubling. Hence, small changes in the cloud-radiative forcing fields can play a significant role as a climate feedback mechanism. For example, during past glaciations a migration toward the equator of the field of strong, negative cloud-radiative forcing, in response to a similar migration of cooler waters, could have significantly amplified oceanic cooling and continental glaciation.
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