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To: Jim Robinson

... oh and I forgot to say, you'll lose EVERY big state with many of the things on that platform. Without big states you lose.

Smaller govt is fine and so are lower taxes. Win the war is good. But all the anti-immigrant talk will sink you. It has already been proven. America is not quite mad enough to make anti-immigration a populist issue.

And conservatives alone CANNOT win an election.


7 posted on 02/19/2007 1:26:32 AM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Anti illegal immigration. I think you'd better take a poll and see how many Americans are fed up. How can you possibly win a war against terrorism and crime with wide open borders.

The people of California, one of the most liberal nations in the country, have passed laws to fight illegal immigration and pandering of same. Too bad the liberal courts overruled us. And in a very recent election, the Democrat ran on a pro illegal immigrant platform. The one good thing Arnie did was to oppose that, and he won in a landslide. Don't tell me it won't work. California will go for the platform I posted above. The people are fed up.

17 posted on 02/19/2007 1:34:13 AM PST by Jim Robinson (If the party runs a social liberal for president it's a kick in the teeth to its conservative base.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Jim's number 4.."Stop the illegal aliens!" Nothing about " anti-immigration"

Are a Mitt or Rudy fan?


45 posted on 02/19/2007 2:15:53 AM PST by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

But all the anti-immigrant talk will sink you. It has already been proven. America is not quite mad enough to make anti-immigration a populist issue.

And conservatives alone CANNOT win an election.


It's not just the conservatives who are opposed to illegal immigration. The blue collar workers see the effect that the illegals have on their wages.


94 posted on 02/19/2007 4:33:39 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
America is not quite mad enough to make anti-immigration a populist issue.

That is because most Americans don't understand the issue. We need to educate them. FYI: We are not anti-immigration, but anti ILLEGAL immigration.

The impact of illegal immigration has far reaching consequences for the future of this country. It transcends partisan politics. We need to be on the right side of this issue. It will pay dividends down the road.

125 posted on 02/19/2007 6:23:12 AM PST by kabar
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To: Mobile Vulgus

"But all the anti-immigrant talk will sink you. It has already been proven."

Completely false. First, of course, being anti illegal immigration isn't the same as "anti-immigrant".

The problem is that those who support illegal immigration smear those who oppose it using such formulations. They're able to get away with it because those on the other side don't come out swinging against them.

So, when the WaPo says someone is "anti-immigrant", you don't timidly accept that moniker and then go do penance before the NCLR. You explain why you're right and the other side is wrong, and you don't pull punches doing it.

Very few GOP candidates did the "explain" part, assuming that everyone already knew why it was wrong. And, of course, regarding your "proof", ask Gabby Giffords or all the other Dems who co-opted their opponents' positions.


208 posted on 02/19/2007 10:26:28 AM PST by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Looking forward to amnesty, are you?


214 posted on 02/19/2007 11:00:50 AM PST by Pelham (California, Mexico's HMO)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
"And conservatives alone CANNOT win an election."

Of course not!
Why, just look what happened the last time a real Conservative ran for President...

Well, let's see: that was Ronald Reagan, and he got a huge majority...
So maybe there's a flaw in whatever it is you use in place of logic...

298 posted on 02/19/2007 8:02:35 PM PST by Redbob
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To: Mobile Vulgus
America is not quite mad enough to make anti-immigration a populist issue.

I think they are now.

513 posted on 05/21/2007 4:59:19 AM PDT by beckysueb
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To: Mobile Vulgus

It is ANTI ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION - not legal immigration. I would like to remind you of all the LIBS who lost especially in the Northeast.


588 posted on 05/21/2007 10:55:09 AM PDT by juliej (vote gop)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

“... oh and I forgot to say, you’ll lose EVERY big state with many of the things on that platform. Without big states you lose.”

I’m from Texas and take exception to this. Except for the dope-smoking hippy commune known as Austin, we are as conservative as they come. Nothing in Jim’s list would bother us here. Quite the contrary - Texas only comes into play if you run a liberal Republican.


648 posted on 05/22/2007 12:00:52 PM PDT by WWTD
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