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To: dmw
Third, on the moral issues, gun rights, etc, there are a number of freepers who could care less about these issues, which means they actually prefer a moderate to liberal rEUPUBLICAN over a conservative one.

What do you mean by "moral issues"?

And if you support a Presidential candidate based upon "moral issues", and he gets elected, what exactly do you want him to do?

I can't tell you what I would do about your "moral issues" candidate until you tell me that.

As far as gun rights go, I am concerned about my hero Rudy's positions and I want to hear more.

118 posted on 02/19/2007 6:11:00 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Jim Noble
What do I mean by moral issues? I think it's pretty clear the moral issues we've been talking about here, abortions, gay rights, gun rights, etc. I would also include the kind of judges Rudy would pick because I don't believe Rudy will appoint strict constitutionalist judges just because he says he will.

Rather than saying it in my own words, let me quote Jim Robinson since his comments best answer your question of what I mean by moral issues.

"And I am 100% opposed to removing the pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, or freedom of religion planks from the conservative platform to accommodate a social liberal, even if he does have glittering star power. I oppose giving up on conservative values. I oppose Arnoldizing the presidency. It's not working for California and will not work for America."

And another quote by Jim Robinson that best describes what I mean by moral issues.

"I humbly submit my understanding of what a social conservative believes: 1. R v W is bad law. Its based on a lie. It should should be overturned and abortion law should be returned to the states. 2. Homosexuals should have equal rights under the law. They should not have special rights. Marriage, by definition, can only exist between a man and a woman. 3. Cultural traditions should be honored, or at a minimum not outlawed. The banning of Christmas music and indeed any mention of Christianity in public is an absurd misreading of our constitution. I think that's it. If the fiscal conservatives here have a difficult time understanding these few positions then we're doooooooomed. But I don't think they will."

I could have said it in my own words, but I couldn't have said it as good as Jim.

Next question please.

271 posted on 02/19/2007 4:27:08 PM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: Jim Noble
"And if you support a Presidential candidate based upon "moral issues", and he gets elected, what exactly do you want him to do?"

"based upon "moral issues"," among other conservative principles, values and qualities...

Lead by example and via the bully pulpit for starters. Hire and or appoint only capable men and women of high moral character to government positions. Appoint originalists to the judiciary. Fight for the conservative small government (constitutional) position on all issues. Secure and defend the nation and our national sovereignty. Defend life and liberty for ourselves and our posterity.

Pull in conservative members of congress on his coattails.

Leave the nation in much better shape than it was when he came in.

Long live the Republic!

330 posted on 02/19/2007 10:33:12 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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