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I was told earlier this evening that it's impossible for a conservative to win the general election against Hillary Clinton

They're out in force, that's for sure.

If we have no faith in our own conservative principles and values why do we call ourselves conservatives?

A fair question that. Why don't you pose it to a few of Madame Gulianis supporters?

How many FReepers actually believe this hogwash?

Far too many. Some of them are becoming more than just a bit tiresome.

That the socially liberal Rudy Giuliani is the ONLY Republican who can (a) beat Hillary and (b) win the war.

Rudy isn't just 'socially liberal'. And he isn't the only one who can beat Hillary. She's essentially unelectable Jim. Nearly 40% of the people who were asked in a recent poll said they wouldn't vote for her under any circumstances.

We cannot advance conservatism by running a social liberal for the office of chief executive.

But but but Jim...he can win! And winning is the mostest importantest thing of all dontchaknow. Those silly principles thingies are like so last year.

I'd like to build a winning conservative platform with a dozen or so hard hitting no nonsense points that we can all agree on that would help us focus on our best potential primary nominee and one that can defeat Hillary, et al, in the general.

I like it but I think we can get it down to less than 10.

1.Win the war!

Nuff said here.

2.Secure the nation!
3.Secure the borders!
4.Stop the illegal aliens!

I think you can roll all this into "Secure The Borders".

5.Rebuild the military!

Yep.

6.Deal with growing threats! Iran, Syria, North Korea, China, (and an increasingly Muslim Russia and Europe?)!

Yep.

7.Cut government!
8.Cut spending!
9.Cut taxes!

Amen, Amen, Amen.

10.Allow the free economy to expand!

There's virtually no chance of any of these four if Rudy is elected. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

11.Return control of states issues to the states!

The 9th and 10th Amendments are dead, Jim. But it's nice to see that someone actually remembers to put flowers on their graves.

12.Defend life, liberty, property and individual rights!

How about 'support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic'. Maybe they could swear an oath or something when they take office.