Running the Republican Numbers on Rudy (50% won't support liberal, 57% don't know Rudy is)

Fox News ^ | 18 February 2007 | Tom Bevan

[LtdGovt]

I actually listened to Reagan himself. I might upload the radio broadcast for you this week, if you don't believe me.

[garv]

Why don't you do that. In the meantime I'll take the word of Lou Cannon, Fred Barnes, Lyn Nofziger and William P. Clark, all of whom have stated that Reagan regretted his decision to sign the law.

[LtdGovt]

As I already said, any regret would be over the mental health exception. But Reagan was firmly in favor of exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

Now answer my question.

I will, but let the record show, I asked you a question at the beginning of the conversation that you answered with your own question. I'd still like to know why the origins of an 800 year-old word meaning "mass slaughter" should not be used to describe the mass-slaughter of 49 million innocent Americans.

Is the fact that 50 million fetuses have been aborted 8-9 times as bad as the Jewish holocaust?

We just think about these things in fundamentally different terms. I've never considered one act of evil to be any "times" more evil than the other. Evil will kill as long as its permitted to do so. As far as I'm concerned, the only difference between Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein is luck. If Florida swings the other way in 2000, Saddam's facing Al Gore instead of Bush and he's probably still a holocaust in-progress. But both men were equally committed to evil, there can be no doubt about that.

I see abortion the same way. It's evil, doing what evil does: killing as long as its permitted to kill.

Hitler killed more than 50 million people, combined. Stalin killed 50 million. Mao Zedong killed 50 million. Abortion in America has killed 50 million. The fact that abortion in one country has killed as many people in a civilized western society as the armies of the most brutal dictators in history leads me to believe that abortion, the act itself, may be the greatest act of evil ever visited upon mankind. Especially when you consider how many children are aborted every day world-wide. It has to be a staggering number.

Is the US more evil than Nazi Germany?

No. But that doesn't mean evil doesn't exist here. It does, and it's able to kill more than a million kids right under our noses every year. That should tell you something about the way evil works.

[DocH]

YOU narrowed it down to one issue. An extremely important one, abortion, but ONE issue nonetheless.

Just look at a MULTITUDE of previous posts, including Spiff's table showing where rudy agrees with not only the dem platform, but with hillary as well, on MOST of the issues...

and there are MANY.

We obviously won't vote for hillary, or rudy, if, God forbid, he gets that far.

[LtdGovt]

The fact that abortion in one country has killed as many people in a civilized western society as the armies of the most brutal dictators in history leads me to believe that abortion, the act itself, may be the greatest act of evil ever visited upon mankind.

Okay. So you disagree with Ronald Reagan that the Soviet Union was the evil empire, in fact, it was America that was the evil empire, because abortion is the greatest evil mankind has ever known, and abortions were common in America?

No. But that doesn't mean evil doesn't exist here. It does, and it's able to kill more than a million kids right under our noses every year. That should tell you something about the way evil works.

I'm uncomfortable with comparing the 60% of the American who are pro-choice with Stalin, Hitler and Saddam. What about you?

[LtdGovt]

Don't be deceived by Spiff's post. He disregards important issues and pretends that Hillary supports the WOT.

[garv]

As I already said, any regret would be over the mental health exception. But Reagan was firmly in favor of exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother.

That's fascinating since he supported the constitutional amendment banning abortion in all instances except the life of the mother.

[LtdGovt]

Well, it's a fact, whether you like it or not. I heard Reagan himself say it.

[garv]

No, fact is the historical record that proves Reagan supported a ban on abortion in all cases except the life of the mother.

You telling me about something you heard on the radio 32 years ago is not "fact".

[LtdGovt]

Well, I'll prove it to you later this week. Just send me a private message so I don't forget your screenname.

[Carry_Okie]

Unfortunately, they would not make strong general election candidates. Rudy will.

I've been hearing that lie in similar form since 1960. Nothing quite like an unsupported assertion that flies in the face of historic experience:

Eisenhower (RINO) killed a Republican majority in Congress and was followed by Kennedy.
Nixon/Ford (RINOs both) never gained a majority and were followed by Carter!
Bush I, upon taking over from a wildly popular Reagan, killed that opportunity and left us a government with both Congress and the Presidency under Slave Party control.
Bush II inherited a Republican Congressional majority, pissed it away by (among other things) alienating his base (get the pun?), barely beat two Democrat losers he should have buried, and left no successor candidate. What a guy!

The ONLY Republican President since Coolidge who was followed by yet another Republican Republican was (conservative) Ronald Reagan. In both elections he won by a substantial majority.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

So you disagree with Ronald Reagan that the Soviet Union was the evil empire, in fact, it was America that was the evil empire, because abortion is the greatest evil mankind has ever known, and abortions were common in America?

If that's your interpretation of what I said, I'm gonna throw in the towel on this one.

Go ahead and take the last word.

[Dat Mon]

Im glad to see this post. I looked at the Fox Opinion Dynamics poll too, and noted the number of people who think Rudy is pro-life.

There are a sizable number of people who really are not aware of Rudy's personal history, associations with NARAL and most disturbingly to me and others...his statements posted by you and others regarding the banning of PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION.

If Rudy manages to get the nomination.....the Dems will go into full frontal slimeball assault mode...and alot of it will be factual.

These ads will run in areas with large concentrations of ethnic and Black voters...areas of Catholic, evangelical, and Orthodox Jew....but especially in rural Black and Hispanic areas.

How do you think black or Hispanic males from these areas, who are traditional in their approach to male / female relationships and the family (the latins call it "machismo") will react...on an EMOTIONAL LEVEL to the sight of Rudy in drag??

How do they think an Arab male who is looking at a future terrorist recruitment poster, one with the President of the United States in fishnets and mascara will react...the evil corrupt Satan society, which Allah must destroy...wait...thats another topic entirely...WOT and all that....

The Dems will try to eliminate the crossover socially conservative voters that helped put George Bush back in the WH in 2004....and they will succeed.

And then there is the issue that will be raised in every Woman's grocery checkout magazine....of Hillary as the cuckold wife...victimized and humiliated by the knowledge that her philandering husband had cheated on her...with Monica and others....

I can see the tears flowing on Oprah...all the soccer moms feeeeelllin' empathy for Hillary...just trying to be the bestest First Lady she can be, while give us and the children health care...in between baking cookies for Chelsea and Webb of course.

You women Rudy fans..you GOTTA know how the dems and MSM will play this up....

Rudy is tailor made for Hillary and her MSM enabled slime machine....they know it...we know it.

[Reagan Man]

In post #274 you clearly indicated you had read my post at #271. In #271 I posted the following:

"When Reagan signed the 1967 Therapeutic Abortion Act, he said he did it out of sympathy for the victims of rape, incest and for those women who may be facing health risks or worse, death from childbirth. Reagan did not sign it out of political expediency. There was no flip flop in it. This was one of the first actions taken in the modern abortion battle. An action Reagan regretted within a year and a decision that haunted him for the remainder of his life.

The three exceptions rule is not the same as abortion on demand. Rudy Giuliani has made countless public statements over his entire public career supporting a womans right to choose death, and to kill her unborn child using abortion as a birth control measure..... 95% of the time! Give me a break. Reagan's position on abortion was the complete opposite of what Rudy`s abortion stance is today."

Now, exactly what are you talking about? What I posted in #271 is exactly what Reagan said in 1967 when he signed the Therapeutic Abortion Act into law; exactly what Reagan told Lou Cannon in 1968 about regretting his decision to sign it the year before; and exactly what Reagan said in his 1975 radio essay. I have the book and supposedly you have the CD/tape on that book, "Reagan In His Own Hand". In addition, I reviewed this same information in my post at #283.

So, what is your problem?

[Carry_Okie]

Anyone espousing limited government while supporting a gun-grabbing Rudy Giuliani has made a mockery of his own screen name.

[Politicalmom]

"The author"? You don't know who Jim Robinson is after several years on this board?

[Politicalmom]

Yeah, those marriage VOWS are really not promises.

[Reagan Man]

Amen!

Some RudyBots think they can use double-talk to obfuscate their way around issues and arguments, the same way Giuliani does in interviews.

[Elyse]

I might respect the author's opinion more if he knew how to spell Rudolph. He obviously hasn't researched the man's views well if he can't spell his name!

The author who made that typo is Jim Robinson, the owner of the FreeRepublic website. That's kind of like insulting a man in his own living room. Anyway, I can't believe that you can't respect a person's opinion because they make a typo. How does researching a subject keep you from making a typo?