Posted on 02/18/2007 12:46:51 PM PST by dirtboy
Slow down a second. Lot`s of us are life long Republicans and gun owners. I don`t want to have to hide my weapons and, so far, I don`t see Rudy wanting to and, even if he did, he can`t. But, that`s not the big issue, it`s the War on Terrorism and protecting our troops. The rest is secondary. Is that so hard to understand?
I hid some of mine, for 8 long years. My point is that if Rudy is claiming to be a republican, there must be some standard of proof. You seem to expect a pledge from me, but you won't get one.
It all boils down to how much Rudy really cares about the republican party, and republican ideals, I don't need to prove myself.
If I were in NYC, at this moment, I would have just committed a felony, I walked out to my mailbox, with an S&W M-59 on my belt. Hell, it even has one of those "assault magazines" in it, 14 rounds of "cop killer" hollow points. I didn't make those names up, but some damn fool in New York likely did! Damned old gun isn't "registered" either! It isn't going to be.
Are you purposely being obtuse? You speak as though I was threatening Rudy. Nothing could be further from the truth. If I'm confusing you, best we drop the conversation. Just don't ask me what I intend to do come election day, that is still up for grabs.
He says he is, so that should settle it. (/sarcasm) You know Rudy is a Republican just like Bloomberg is and Olympia Snowe is and Arlen Spectre is....
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So he never created any gun laws? I thought he was a gun grabber. He used existing laws. As I pointed out in another thread....we have a loop hole here in florida that has allowed many convicted child molesters and other convicted felons to legally conceal and carry guns. Crist is now working to close that loophole. Is he a gun grabber too?
.....And George W. Bush.....
Great research, and very powerful material. If you have a ping list for these, I'd like to be added.
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Nonsense. If we had a President that during a SOTU Address called on Congress to pass comprehensive gun control, would you still the issue is overblown? And what's worse, if the President is a Republican the chances of a procedural move to block the legislation in Congress will be nil.
Before January 2001 I seem to recall that this site believed that morals and ethics mattered in a President. It's sad to see people contort their logic to allow for that which we fought so hard against, all to allow "their team" to win.
First of all, Rudy took guns away from long-term NYC permit holders, backed Clinton-sponsored gun control legislation, supported assault-weapons bans and stringent restrictions on hangun ownership, and sued gun manufacturers. So his past is not consisent with your beliefs.
But, that`s not the big issue, it`s the War on Terrorism and protecting our troops. The rest is secondary. Is that so hard to understand?
First of all, a strong majority of the current candidates support the WOT. Second, I have seen nothing in Rudy's past that shows he is the best, let alone the only, guy to lead such - his one main contribution to the WOT was to push a corrupt crony for the most important anti-terror job in the country. And third, gun rights are a critical and integral part of fighting terror AND crime - had pilots been armed during 9-11, 9-11 would never have happened - thugs with box cutters would not have been able to commandeer the planes. Likewise, many terror attacks will be better countered if more private citizens are carrying heat.
I don't ever see a real 100% die hard conservative ever making it again. The country is full (and constantly growing) of immigrants and illegals who want handouts. The Liberals have succeeded in dumbing down our schools and created a generation of whiny spoiled and stupid kids who don't care about 'America'.
You know....I think ALL of us want the best conservative possible to win. But what are the chances Duncan can beat Hillary? What about Newt? Now take a look at Rudi. What's your solution besides just trashing Rudi?
So let me get this straight. You are concerned about illegals. As you should be.
Rudy fought federal law and federal court rulings to stop NYC's sanctuary city policy. He even defied the courts when SCOTUS refused to hear a lower court ruling telling him to stop. And he's in favor of amnesty as well.
So Rudy is a key part of the pro-illegal cabal that helped create this mess in the first place. And you want to support him? That makes no sense.
The problem is, Rudy is no solution. He will not be able to hold the party together - he's just too far left on too many key issues. He will not pull in pro-life Catholic Dems. He will not pull in pro-gun rural Dems. In other words, he cannot deliver the old Reagan coalition - far from it, he will splinter it.
I don't know what the answer is. But I do know what it ISN'T.
I think you need to concentrate on POSITIVE threads endorsing someone else instead of putting down the only chance we have of defeating the dems....you're only working against us beating this same drum over and over.
Gawd, I have shown time and time again how Rudy has worked against core conservative issues - you raised the matter of illegals here. And instead of acknowleedging such, you just fall back to the bleat "He's the only one who can beat Hillary! Yet that too is a fiction.
History has shown that a leftward drift of the GOP leads to losses. And Rudy already ran once against Hillary - and could never outpoll her, even though he was the sitting mayor of NYC and she was a carpetbagger.
you're only working against us beating this same drum over and over.
You are damn right I am working against you. You seek to take the GOP into oblivion. And I keep banging the same drum over and over again BECAUSE YOU AND SO MANY OTHER RUDY BOOSTERS REFUSE TO SEE HOW YOUR OWN ARGUMENTS SHOW HE IS UNFIT TO BE THE NOMINEE.
Then don't do Hillary's bidding by pushing a candidate guaranteed to split the GOP. She's counting on that.
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