Giuliani Favorite Of Local GOP Club (Ohio)

The Enquirer | 2/18/07

[TommyDale]

"Rudy's leadership during 9-11 saved us all."

LOL!

[TommyDale]

"Rudy's leadership during 9-11 saved us all."

LOL!

[garv]

For me it will always be the image of a devoted shepherd, defending his flock against a pack of wolves. Rudy's leadership during 9-11 saved us all.

Saved us all from what? The hyperbole that gets thrown around is mind-boggling.

[TommyDale]

Rudy will achieve sainthood soon.

[dirtboy]

Only the doom and gloomers of the Party those unwilling to sell out core conservative values are handwringing probably because they see their influence on the party diminishing.

[dirtboy]

No kidding. The wolves had already struck.

[You Dirty Rats]

The simple fact is that at the moment Rudy is receiving a lot of good news. This straw poll is very early, but you can bet your bottom dollar if Duncan Hunter had win it then the Hunter supporters would have posted it.

I actually don't think that the campaign season has begun earlier than before -- it's just receiving more publicity than before. GWB had to make visits to primary states, meet with pols, shake hands with voters, assemble a team, etc. in 1999. These next few months will determine who is a contender and who is a pretender.

[TommyDale]

The Rudyphiles post this ridiculous crap like "He saved us all!" and wonder why we criticize?

Tell us, please -- what did he do? Did he go more than the NYPD or NYFD?

[PhiKapMom]

You are going to be surprised when you find out what Newt has been up to but I will leave that for another day.

BTW, we recognize that this is Jim's site and if he wants all of the Rudy threads taken down and all of us off the site, I am sure he will tell us. Some of us have been here for years and went through the wars in 1999/2000 and are still here.

Do you know how many hits these threads are generating compared to others and how many people are now viewing FR to see these threads?

[MrNatural]

..Looks to me like the Hunter fans have become the anti-Rudy crowd..

It's starting to sound like 2000 all over again ... remember the Brigadiers?

[You Dirty Rats]

I started as a Hunter supporter; but only because I want his ideas in my candidate

Actually I believe that is why Hunter decided to run as well -- he looked at the favorites, decided they were all too liberal for him and many in the Party, and decided to run to do exactly what your tagline says (even if he doesn't win the nomination).

[JCEccles]

Rudy will achieve sainthood soon.

Sainthood? He's reaching for full apotheosis.

Give him another week and fiscal conservative Rudy won't require that luxury Gulfstream jet he has been demanding. He'll float and fly on mere thought alone, materializing in halls rented by Giuliani groupies where he will dispense loaves and fishes without end to the adoring multitides.

[PhiKapMom]

I agree and that is what I am starting to think as well. I went back and reviewed some of the 2000 threads and some of the same names were anti-Bush back then as not being conservative enough and waiting for their White Knight to ride in to save the day. That's why I am beginning to think some of these folks were never part of the mainstream Republican Party activists.

Join Rudy 2008

[TET1968]

"The hyperbole that gets thrown around is mind-boggling."

I see what you mean.

[areafiftyone]

Rudy won't require that luxury Gulfstream jet he has been demanding

Listen - Rudy was a private citizen when he demanded most of that stuff and he deserves it if he's the head of a company which he is. Now he has stopped all speaking fees and will not be requiring that stuff.

[LdSentinal]

Way too early. 4 years ago, Joe Lieberman was was ahead in the Dem primary polls.

[FreeInWV]

"Like it or not, Rudy is connecting with a wide spectrum of voters."

In the last election certain Amish districts in Ohio had 100% voter turnout for Bush. I wonder if they will do the same for Giuliani?

[Condor51]

Rudy Giuliani's Vulnerabilities
Secret study cited "weirdness factor" among candidate weaknesses

Conservative Case Against Rudy Giuliani
"If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley."

Is that all there is?
"But it seems foolish and unprincipled to advance a Republican alternative (Rudy) who is at least equally as committed as the Democrat, and maybe even more so, to a muscular, intrusive and virtually unlimited government...

his views on gay marriage and his highly publicized bitter divorce, but the consistent strands throughout his public life revolve around his arrogance and lust for power."

To paraphrase Ralph Nader ... Unacceptable At Any Speed.

[TommyDale]

"Rudy was a private citizen when he demanded most of that stuff and he deserves it if he's the head of a company which he is. Now he has stopped all speaking fees and will not be requiring that stuff."

Has Rudy divested himself from Giuliani Partners, LLC? I'm sure he still collects a check from them for his "consulting" for the governments around the world with his buddy Bernie Kerik.

[areafiftyone]

- Rudy tossed Arafat out of a city sponsored celebrations saying, "I would rather not have someone who has been implicated in the murders of Americans there, if I have the discretion not to have him there”.
- Rudy did the same to Fidel Castro.
- When a Saudi prince donated millions to 9/11 relief efforts and later suggested that United States policy in the Middle East may have been partially responsible for the attacks, Rudy returned the money.
- Rudy refused to meet with racial arsonist Al Sharpton.
- Rudy as mayor was strong on law and order. Rudy said that "government exists above all to keep people safe in their homes and in the streets, not to redistribute income, run a welfare state, or perform social engineering". And Rudy backed this all up by going after both quality-of-life crimes and serious crimes. Total crime went down by some 64 percent during the Giuliani years, and murder went down 67 percent. Auto thefts went down on average about 80,000 per year.
- Rudy supported the police when the police had to enter and deal with Muslims at a mosque.
- Rudy closed down many porn shops across the city and specifically shutdown porn shops in residential neighborhoods.
- Rudy went after both low level and high level drug dealers for the first time in the cities history.
- Rudy had zero tolerance for quality of life crimes such as squeegee extortionists, graffiti vandals, panhandling and public urination.
- Rudy launched a welfare revolution, removing illegal recipients, cutting the rolls by 20% the first year alone and dropping the welfare rolls by 600,000 over the course of his plan.
- Rudy launched a work requirement program for the remaining welfare recipients. the NY Times called it slavery.
- Rudy constantly spoke out against illegitimacy and fatherless families. One of many things that Rudy said on the subject was the following: " If you wanted a social program that would really save these kids, . I guess the social program would be called fatherhood.
" - Rudy objected to affirmative action. Rudy ended the cities set-aside program for minority contractors.
- Rudy rejected the idea of lowering the job requirement standards for minorities and woman. - Rudy said. "it was unfair to expect middle-class kids to work their way through college by holding down jobs and going to classes while exempting students on welfare from working.
" - Rudy reformed the public school system and forced out liberal chancellors who wouldn't install his reforms.
- Rudy tried to privatize 5 of the cities worst public schools.
- Rudy was for school vouchers Rudy said, "The whole notion of choice is really about more freedom for people, rather than being subjugated by a government system that says you have no choice about the education of your child,".
- Rudy fought against public money for an art display that defiled Christ and he fought against other obscene so-called works of art.
- Rudy played hardball with city unions winning concessions from city workers that other mayors had failed to do.
- Rudy strong armed state leaders to merge the cities Housing Police and Transit Police into the NYPD saving the city hundreds of millions. Rudy did this by threatening to fire every housing and transit officer and rehire each as a city cop if legislative leaders did not go along.
- Rudy did the same with the city’s garbageman, many of whom worked only half days because the department was so overstaffed with union jobs. Rudy won $300 million in savings from them by threatening to contract out trash collection to private companies.
- Rudy cut or killed 23 levies and taxes, saving taxpayers $9.8 billion during his terms.
- Rudy cut NYC's top income-tax rate by 20.6%.
- Local NYC taxes on a family of four dropped 23.7% during Rudy's term.
- Rudy cut the commercial-rent tax.
- Rudy cut sales taxes, including taxes on clothing.
- Rudy cut the marriage penalty on taxpaying couples.
- Rudy cut taxes on commercial rents everywhere outside of Manhattan’s major business districts, and various taxes on small businesses and self-employed New Yorkers.
- Rudy's expenditure growth averaged 2.9% annually, while local inflation between January 1994 and December 2001 averaged 3.6%.
- Rudy privatized municipal assets.
- Rudy sold WNYC radio for $20 million, WNYC-TV for $207 million, and NYC's share of the U.N. Plaza Hotel for $85 million.
- Rudy divested the City from the New York Coliseum adding $345 million to city coffers.
- Rudy let the private Central Park Conservancy manage Central Park.
- Rudy cut NYC's hotel tax from 6% to 5%. Consequently, hotel tax revenues increased from $135 million in Fiscal Year 1995 to $239 million in FY 2001.
- When asked if Rudy would raise taxes after 9/11 Rudy said that would be "a dumb, stupid, idiotic, and moronic thing to do.
" - A quote from Rudy on his economic philosophy: “City government should not and cannot create jobs through government planning. The best it can do, and what it has a responsibility to do, is to deal with its own finances first, to create a solid budgetary foundation that allows businesses to move the economy forward on the strength of their energy and ideas. After all, businesses are and have always been the backbone of New York City.
” - Construction permits increased by more than 50% in the city per year during Rudy's terms.
- Tourism increased 50% in the city per year during Rudy's terms.
- City jobs increased by 430,000 to an all time high of 3.72 million during Rudy's terms.
- City personal income increased 50% during Rudy's terms.
- The percentage income that city residence paid in taxes declined from 8.8 to 7.3 percent during Rudy's terms.
- Unemployment in the city went form 10.3% to 5.1% during Rudy's terms.
- Rudy was an outstanding leader during the 9/11 crisis.
- Rudy has been a strong supporting in our WOT including supporting the mission in Iraq.
- Rudy was chosen by Ronald Reagan in 1981 as an Associate Attorney General placing him in the third highest position in the Reagan's DOJ.
- In 1983, Rudy was appointed by Reagan to be U.S. Attorney for the SD of NY. In that position, Rudy amassed 4,152 convictions including the heads of NY's so-called "Five Families". Rudy also prosecuted terrorists and illegal immigrants.