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To: nopardons
"What if some unacceptable to you wins the GOP primary and none of that party splitting, that you foresee, happens; that just about EVERY CONSERVATIVE leader, organization, pundit, and all of the losing candidates get behind him and supports the GOP ticket? Then what?"

Doesn't matter. If Rudolph Giuliani wins the nomination, doesn't matter what you and I may do or not do personally. Some minority percentage of the conservative vote will NEVER actually vote FOR a baby killer or FOR a known gun grabber. You may think this minority percentage will be insignificant, and you may never ever understand the reasoning, but it is real. And it is there. And the numbers will be enough to make the difference in the close states. Just like in 1992 and 1996, and demonstrated again as recently as last November, the Democrats will waltz in.

202 posted on 02/18/2007 1:13:03 AM PST by Jim Robinson (If the party runs a social liberal for president it's a kick in the teeth to its conservative base.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Does that go for Romney as well? I know that you don't like him either.

What I DO know and understand is, that a Dem presidency will destroy ANY chance of ANY Conservative gains in the future. It will also be ruinous for not only this nation, but the world and that is no exaggeration nor hyperbole.

There have always been people who don't like whomever their party's candidate is and have stayed home, voted fringe, and even voted for the candidate of the party they detest.

I am not proselytizing for any particular candidate right now; all I was asking you, was about a hypothetical "what if". I hope you realized that.

Some percentage of Indies and yes, even disaffected Dems, WILL vote for the GOP candidate, IF it's one who appeals to them. That IS, after all, how Reagan won. And it was Reagan's talk about how he was not only the member of a union, but the president of that union, as well as his high praise for FDR, that won over Dem support. Naturally, Regan changed his stump speech, when talking to GOP/Conservative audiences.

The GOP needs a candidate with the ability to woo and win over as many voters as is humanly possible. We can NOT allow a Dem to win the '08 election!

203 posted on 02/18/2007 1:39:42 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Jim Robinson
Some minority percentage of the conservative vote will NEVER actually vote FOR a baby killer or FOR a known gun grabber.

You got it big guy.

217 posted on 02/18/2007 5:15:08 AM PST by politicalwit (Freedom doesn't mean a Free Pass.)
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To: Jim Robinson

yes, that is real.

but there are other votes out there to displace that loss. look at states like PA - the urban centers are voting so heavily Dem, that there is no way for the republicans to take a state like that now. And I'm not just talking inner city voters, the suburbs tied to large metroplexes, are becoming solidly Dem. So in PA, the Philly and Pittsburgh suburbs give the state to the Dems. Virginia is moving in that direction too - northern VA is become a suburban hub of the DC metroplex, and the Dem margins there are increasing, and Virginia is close to being a "toss up" state now too. North Carolina is about 8-10 years away from joining this trend. I'd also like to see a map of where Claire McCaskill ran strong in 2006 in Missouri (inner city St Louis aside).

We've got to do better amongst these voters - white, in the denser populated suburbs, middle/upper income.


225 posted on 02/18/2007 7:55:43 AM PST by oceanview
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To: Jim Robinson
If Rudolph Giuliani wins the nomination, doesn't matter what you and I may do or not do personally. Some minority percentage of the conservative vote will NEVER actually vote FOR a baby killer or FOR a known gun grabber. You may think this minority percentage will be insignificant, and you may never ever understand the reasoning, but it is real. And it is there. And the numbers will be enough to make the difference in the close states.

Well stated. I couldn't agree more.

And what's more, the presence of a "moderate" at the top of the GOP ticket will obliterate the rest of the ticket. It would set the GOP back at least a decade.

283 posted on 02/18/2007 6:36:35 PM PST by NittanyLion
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