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To: Eva
The slogan at the recent Munich Conference on Security (ironic that they hold it there) was Peace through Dialogue. That is all Europe is capable of, dialogue, but nothing ever comes of it and America pays the price (Israel, too). We suffered terror attack after attack, under the Clinton administration, and the spineless pervert treated it as though it was a civil crime. Europe is now full of Neville Chamberlains, all talk, no action.

Well politics just as millitary operations have to be effective. We have to wait for the next election in the US. If your coming president is "democratic" I doubt that America is able to win the war in Iraq. She will retreat the troops and the country could either be conquered by Iran/SaudiArabia/Turkey or is going to fall into a anarchistic war zone. Sort of a new Somalia or Afghanistan. That means that your government wasted the lives of roundabout 3000 American servicemen and -women and a few hundred billion Dollars of American taxpayers. BTW - much more than America has been spending on the extremely successfull Marshall plan. I do not doubt that the motives of President Bush were good, but I am not sure if they were worth the price if the whole operation ends in a failure. Therefore it might have been wise to hear on some constructive critisism from the old continent.

Besides - you say that you suffered terror attack after terror attack. That might be true. But tell me - has anything changed? Just compare the American losses/month to terrorism of 1998 and those of today. You will not deny that things have gotten much worse. You weren't even able to catch Bin Laden. I do not want to back Clinton. Nevertheless, your foreign policy of the past few years was not very effective - in difference to ours.

Germany i.e. is very successfull in keeping their sector in Afghanistan silent since we do not soley rely on "fighting down the enemy". We cooperate with the local people and they like us. The quintessence is that we control the situation. BTW- We learned this kind of behaviour from American GIs who gave a hand to us after WWII.

59 posted on 02/19/2007 6:53:52 PM PST by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
The American GIs suffered terror like attacks in Germany after the war, too, in spite of their beneficent actions. And they didn't have the Taliban to deal with. The non-Taliban Afghanis like the the US and appreciate the schools and some semblance of a normal life, free of the Taliban.

No one will claim that the military operations in Iraq have gone well, but it wasn't constructive criticism that was offered by Europe, it was lies and duplicitness. Europe tried to cover up for Saddam, they voted for sanctions and then took huge bribes to go around the sanctions. They supplied Saddam with weapons and intelligence. Austria has recently supplied Iran with weapons, that are now showing up in Iraq. France promised Saddam that they would prevent the US from attacking, rather than putting pressure on him to comply. If Europe had backed the US demands that Saddam should comply with weapons inspections, the war could have been avoided. So, it is really France's fault that the war was prosecuted at all.
If the Democrats win in 2008, and it looks as though they might, the ensuing blood bath will be on their hands, as well as the problem of the growing threat from Iran, which will be multiplied exponentially. Withdrawing is not an honorable option. But things are looking up in Iraq, Sadr has run off to Iran to hide, and the Iraqis are stepping into their responsibilities, taking more and more control.

By the way, the American military does not consider their deaths to be a waste. Saddam is dead, and we have not had a single organized terror attack since 9/11. The Islamists think that turning the other cheek, as Clinton did, is weakness. You cannot argue logic with irrational untrustworthy people. Dialogue will not work.There has to be a better way, but the Democrats sure haven't offered any.
62 posted on 02/19/2007 7:26:58 PM PST by Eva
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To: Atlantic Bridge

You see? More lies and duplicities from Big Europe. The self-interested, oil greedy Europeans again, say one thing and do another, giving lip service to world security, while supporting despotic states with trade.


From the Wall Street Journal, Opinion Journal:
Europe and the Mullahs
How the EU subsidizes trade with Iran.

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:01 a.m. EST

On the record, Europe claims to be as concerned as America about a nuclear-armed Iran. The record also shows, however, that Europe's biggest countries do a booming business with the Islamic Republic. And so far for the Continentals, manna trumps security.

The European Union--led by Germany, France and Italy--has long been Iran's largest trading partner. Its share of Iran's total imports is about 35%. Even more notable: Its trade with Tehran has expanded since Iran's secret nuclear program was exposed. Between 2003 and 2005, Europe's exports rose 29% to €12.9 billion; machinery, transport equipment and chemicals make up the bulk of the sales. Imports from Iran, predominantly oil, increased 62% to €11.4 billion in that period.

In the absence of an official embargo against Tehran, private EU companies have sought commercial opportunities in Iran. But the real story here is that these businesses are subsidized by European taxpayers. Government-backed export guarantees have fueled the expansion in trade. That, in turn, has boosted Iran's economy and--indirectly by filling government coffers with revenues--its nuclear program. The German record stands out. In its 2004 annual report on export guarantees, Berlin's Economics Ministry dedicated a special section to Iran that captures its giddy excitement about business with Tehran.

"Federal Government export credit guarantees played a crucial role for German exports to Iran; the volume of coverage of Iranian buyers rose by a factor of almost 3.5 to some €2.3 billion compared to the previous year," the report said. "The Federal Government thus insured something like 65% of total German exports to the country. Iran lies second in the league of countries with the highest coverage in 2004, hot on the heels of China."

Iran tops Germany's list of countries with the largest outstanding export guarantees, totaling €5.5 billion. France's export guarantees to Iran amount to about €1 billion. Italy's come to €4.5 billion, accounting for 20% of Rome's overall guarantee portfolio. Little Austria had, at the end of 2005, €800 million of its exports to Iran covered by guarantees.

The Europeans aren't simply facilitating business between private companies. The vast majority of Iranian industry is state-controlled, while even private companies have been known to act as fronts for the country's nuclear program. EU taxpayers underwrite trade and investment that would otherwise be deterred by the risks of doing business with a rogue regime.

It's also hard not to see a connection between Europe's commercial interests and its lenient diplomacy. The U.N.'s December sanctions resolution orders countries to freeze the assets of only 10 specific companies and 12 individuals with ties to Iran's nuclear program. Europe's governments continue to resist U.S. calls for financial sanctions, and the German Chamber of Commerce recently estimated that tougher economic sanctions would cost 10,000 German jobs.

As if on cue, Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier last week detected in Tehran a "new ambition" to resume talks. The last time the Europeans promoted such diplomatic negotiations, Iran won two more years to get closer to its goal of becoming a nuclear power. In 2004, according to the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung daily, then-Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer told Iranians to consider Europe a "protective shield" against U.S. pressure. The EU continues to provide a shield for its business interests in Iran, and thus a lifeline to a regime that is unpopular at home and sponsors terror abroad.


64 posted on 02/20/2007 8:15:46 AM PST by Eva
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