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To: Eva
Americans don't hate Europeans the way the Europeans hate Americans, we just don't trust them.

That is fine. Nevertheless what is your definition of anti-Americanism? Well, it is indeed true that most western Europeans have other political gains than the current US-administration. It is indeed true that we have another way of living. Of course we are different from you and it is also true that we do not want to absorb everything from you. It is even true that some American values are quite irrelevant on the old continent. The people here have more socialist ideology, they are not that religious and last but not least they have another definition of freedom. While it is no problem to obtain weapons in the US or drive a car with 16 you will have no problem in Europe when you are going topless over a beach or when you drink alcohol and smoke with 16. Other countries other attitudes.

This is all true. Nevertheless why do you think are we sending our kids into exchange programs with you? Why are we helping you out with soldiers in such godforsaken places like Afghanistan? Why will you never see any American flags being burned on our streets? Why will everbody help you in Europe when you are in need of help? Why are the people friendly to you if they find out where you come from? Why is everyone trying to speak with you although all of them have a funny accent? Why do elderly European women invite you for tea and coffee?

Because we hate you?

Europe will be Eurabia, and I hope you enjoy Sharia law.

Yawn. Well I am also keen on 72 virgins in heaven (to a male like me it might be more interesting than playing a harp on a cloud as an angel) but seriously - Germany has 3.7% muslims in its population. The French have more, the Brits have less. Our muslims in Germany are mainly Turks. Most if them are nice and decent people who work hard and are far from terrorism. We have some problems with young muslim males in big towns. That much is true. The crux is, that they are the underdogs in our society. Usually they lack education and they get no jobs. Therefore they lost their self-esteem and they fall back into being a "muslim" or a "Turk". This is the reason why they spoil some areas in our big towns with violence and riots. Islam is simply a identification base for them just as it is the color of the skin for such underdogs in your country. All this is not that different to the US. Maybe you remember the L.A. "Rodney King" riots from 1992. I think roundabout 60 people died because of your problems with your black minority.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_Riots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_civil_unrest_in_France

The difference to the recent riots in France was that the incident in the US was much more violent. Welcome to our common realitiy. Europe is as far away from Sharia law as you are away from a becoming a black apartheid state.

My son toured Europe in the summer of 2005, and everywhere he went in Europe there were problems with the Islamists. He was in the subway station in London on July 7th when the Islamists blew up the train. When he was in Paris, Muslim men ran through the train yelling in Arabic and terrorizing the other passengers, until women were crying and screaming. Every country that he visited showed signs of the rising problem that Europe faces from the Islamic immigration.

I am sorry to hear that he was involved into the terror bombing in London. But this was such a extreme situation that I as a European have never been in something comparable, although I have much experience in travelling around on my continent. Just one thing - I have been in your country many times in my life and I could say the same about your black underdogs (just to make it clear - I have nothing against blacks and I am no racist). Just try to spend a night as a European in Harlem/New York in a typical tourist outfit. Have fun!

Europe is afraid to deal with it, so they blame the US.

I never ever heared that European people, media or politicians constructed a coherence between the US and our problems with muslim immigration. It would be moronic. Give me some sources please.

50 posted on 02/19/2007 4:40:43 PM PST by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
I am not saying that Europe blames America for its Muslim immigration. I am saying that they blame America for all the Muslim terrorism. They think that we are aggravating the situation by going on the offense against militant Islam in both Iraq and Israel. Europe was not afraid to help out in Afghanistan because they had nothing to lose there, and a more or less stable Afghanistan is better for building oil pipelines.

Nevertheless what is your definition of anti-Americanism? Well, it is indeed true that most western Europeans have other political gains than the current US-administration. It is indeed true that we have another way of living......

Careful, your supercilious arrogance is showing.

The slogan at the recent Munich Conference on Security (ironic that they hold it there) was Peace through Dialogue. That is all Europe is capable of, dialogue, but nothing ever comes of it and America pays the price (Israel, too). We suffered terror attack after attack, under the Clinton administration, and the spineless pervert treated it as though it was a civil crime. Europe is now full of Neville Chamberlains, all talk, no action.

56 posted on 02/19/2007 6:06:07 PM PST by Eva
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