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3/11: What the Mass Media Does Not Dare to Tell (II)
Libertad Digital ^ | 13 February 2007 | J Aguilar

Posted on 02/17/2007 10:16:24 AM PST by J Aguilar

Following a post on Frank J. Gaffney article about 3/11, this humble Spanish citizen has been translating and summarizing news that came out in the Spanish independent media (a few), on new data that contradicts the Official Version sold to the Spanish public opinion about what happened in the March 11th bombings.

Surprisingly, most of this data comes from the Judicial Summary itself, whose main parts have remained secret during years. Once it had to be made public in order to open the trial process, the panel of judges that will carry out this task, saw probably horrified how critical tasks have not been performed, among others, no scientific analysis on what exploded in the trains had been made.

Yes, IT IS TRUE: Aznar government was accused of lying because they said that March 11th that the evidence pointed towards ETA, but some Muslims were arrested instead (and, by the way, Indians from Hindi religion) by the Police. Now, when all data is made public to begin the trial we find out that that same Police has not carried out scientific studies on what exploded on the trains, that is, the weapon used in the crime, but instead, on evidence found hours later outside them, evidence that cannot resist a minimal confrontation with reality.

In such situation was the panel of judges that has to judge the case. The president of the panel is Judge Gómez-Bermúdez forced twice to step down due to appeals against his nomination by “activist” or “progressive” colleagues but, what really matters, a man that has returned to this post three times.

Finally, after three years waiting, this panel finally ordered two weeks ago new analysis on the samples collected on the trains to be carried out. A group of experts was assembled between police (forensic) ones and experts designed by the defence attorneys. All the process was videotaped.

In a preliminary report released last Tuesday, the experts were clear: it was found on the few evidences collected in the trains that the Police had released (they say that was all) a compound known as dinitro toluene, DNT, in spite of, according to the complains of three of them (probably the ones designed by the defence) that the samples had been cleaned with water and ketone.

What is the problem between the Official Version and DNT? That Goma-2 ECO, the explosive sourced by the Islamists according to the Official Version, contains no DNT.

In fact, Goma-2 ECO ("ECO"logical) was developed by its manufacturer in order to COMPLETELY substitute DNT, which is highly toxic and carcinogenic (provokes cancer), as you can see here.

Therefore, already in 2000, the production of the previous Goma-2 EC with DNT, was almost completely replaced by Goma-2 ECO, as you can see in this report (in Spanish) beginning in page 50:

Production of Goma-2 type explosive:

- Year 1998: 100% Goma 2 EC and 0% Goma 2 ECO
- First quarter 1999: 100% Goma 2 EC and 0% Goma 2 ECO
- Second quarter 1999: 100% Goma 2 EC and 0% Goma 2 ECO
- Third quarter 1999: 56% Goma 2 EC and 44% Goma 2 ECO
- Fourth quarter 1999: 32% Goma 2 EC and 68% Goma 2 ECO
- First quarter 2000: 3.6% Goma 2 EC and 96.4 % Goma 2 ECO

Thus, if DNT has been found in the samples collected on the trains, Goma-2 ECO has to be DISCARDED as explosive used in the attacks.

Therefore, the Muslims accused of perpetrating the massacre with such explosive bought from the Asturias miners are not responsible for the attack

This has been a giant leap forward for the people that want the truth on 3/11. What the MSM has told us all this time is simply false. But, if those Muslims radicalized not in mosques but in Police reports and media articles have not carried out the attack, who did? Is there any explosive composed by DNT in such quantities that, after three years and deep cleaning, still pervives on the samples?

Yes, there are some dynamites made in Europe, among others, French Titadyn. By the way, a big amount of this explosive has been stolen in France by ETA.

Therefore, it is my duty to inform you after three years, that the evidence found in the trains bombed on March 11th 2004 in Madrid, Spain, points toward ETA as their probable perpetrator.

Just what the Aznar government said.

Moreover, (you thought this ended here?), the use of Titadyn might explain the mistake the chief explosives expert on the site committed in the morning of 3/11.

He enacted procedures to deactivate bombs loaded with military explosive (such as Semtex), but two undetonated ones went off as this procedure was being enacted. Why did he think it was high explosive? Because, as he argued, the damage on the trains showed the utilization of a high brisance (fragmenting power) compound. A measure of brisance can be approximated based on the detonation speed, and we have got that:

- Spanish Goma-2 ECO detonation speed is 5,300 meters/second
- Titadyn is 6,200 to 6,500 meters/second
- Semtex’s is around 7,500 m/s

This might explain his mistake: Titadyn is more powerful than the dynamites he is used to see, with a brisance closer to military explosives.

Ladies and Gentlemen, there is an explanation for everything.

More data on 3/11 here:
The Mystery of 3/11 - Part 1
The Mystery of 3/11 - Part 2
The Mystery of 3/11 - Part 3
3/11 Revisited - Part 1

More data on 3/11 in Spanish here:
Luis del Pino's blog
Kickjor's blog


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 11march; 311; spain

1 posted on 02/17/2007 10:16:26 AM PST by J Aguilar
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To: J Aguilar

From what little I can divine from the incompetent MSM here in the USA,
it appears that the politicians and most of the populace of Spain has
decided on the easy route: bend over and let the Islamics recover
Al-andalus.

But I get the feeling that there are parts of the Spanish legal system
and military that haven't yet given up the good fight.


2 posted on 02/17/2007 10:19:58 AM PST by VOA
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To: JerseyHighlander; Incorrigible; Tolik; GladesGuru; marron; .cnI redruM; livius; billorites; Wiz; ...

This is getting clear.

Have you seen Jamal Zougam tackling easily to the questions of the State Attorney Olga Sánchez on TV? And "The Egyptian" testimony (the alleged mastermind of 3/11), condemning not only 3/11, but also 9/11?

This circus is turning shameful for the followers of the Official Conspiracy Theory.


3 posted on 02/17/2007 10:23:59 AM PST by J Aguilar (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: VOA
It was not Islamists who carried out the attack, VOA, but probably ETA. Spaniards did what the MSM told them: Aznar lies, vote him out. It is our fault for being so politically immature to be so easily manipulated, but the Coup was well planned, and the MSM fully allied with them, and alliance which is still working today.

Spaniards do not trust their legal system, and expect nothing from the military, citizens alone, free people, have been the ones that, coordinating thorough internet, are keeping the investigations on 3/11 alive.

The real mastermind of 3/11 could not expect the impact internet would have.
4 posted on 02/17/2007 10:29:38 AM PST by J Aguilar (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: J Aguilar
If I read this right, this means the US friendly Government of Spain was brought down by the Police Department and the Press???

Did I get that right?
5 posted on 02/17/2007 10:34:24 AM PST by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha)
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To: J Aguilar

Very interesting. This makes for a great book followed by a movie deal.


6 posted on 02/17/2007 10:48:43 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: J Aguilar

Didn't Al-Qaeda claim responsibility for the 3/11 train bombings?


7 posted on 02/17/2007 11:02:49 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: J Aguilar
It was not Islamists who carried out the attack, VOA, but probably ETA.

I'm sorry I didn't make a copy of it, but IIRC, one Freeper told
me that one of the ETA's prime players had moved to Mexico
AND had converted to Islam.

I'm just noting that with the poor reportage here in the USA MSM,
interested folks have to keep their ears perked up in order to even
have a FAINT clue of what is going on in the intersection of
Islam and Spain.

As much as I dislike our leftist Public Broadcasting System (PBS)
that I'm forced to support with my tax dollars (as it's a government-
supported organization), the series "Frontline" did have a GREAT
review of 3-11 and the action of Spanish judiciary and police to
track down the Islamic (and/or ETA?) evil-doers. I think this
included an interview with Spanish judge (or prosecutor?) named
"Baltozar" (sp?) and he seemed like a bulldog pursuing the bombers/terrorists.
8 posted on 02/17/2007 11:17:07 AM PST by VOA
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To: J Aguilar

Maybe I'm still not sober from last night, but I can't quite make out what this is trying to say.

Is it saying that ETA did it and not AQ? I'm perfectly open to being persuaded. ..

Didn't AQ claim credit though?


9 posted on 02/17/2007 11:32:13 AM PST by pacelvi
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To: J Aguilar

Unbelievable. So al Qaeda's 'role' in this whole thing was essentially a phone call claiming credit on behalf of the 'occupied' Iraqi people. And that brought an end to Aznar's legacy. And caused a shameful flight from Iraq that emboldened terrorists of all stripes everywhere.

Still, that interpretation of events succeeded because it suited the agendas of a great many people in Spanish public life. For that, the Spanish people need to look hard into the mirror and confront what they have become. Then go north and find some real answers.


10 posted on 02/17/2007 11:54:39 AM PST by tanuki
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To: Danae; lilylangtree; VOA; pacelvi; tanuki
Danae,

If I read this right, this means the US friendly Government of Spain was brought down by the Police Department and the Press???

Did I get that right?


Let's say it all: the US friendly Government of Spain was brought down by Units of the Police Department and the Main Stream Media, with complicity of the Secret Services; and substitued by a French-friendly one.

Where is ETA based, Danae? Don't you see how many interests converged on 3/11 and why neither the MSM nor foreign governments want to look at the truth?

lilylangtree,

Very interesting. This makes for a great book followed by a movie deal.

Good idea but I am afraid too late. The script of V for Vendetta differs from the original comic by Alan Moore, and now closely resembles the 3/11 case. But that was fiction, and the 200 Spaniards that won't return to their homes are a terrible truth.

Didn't Al-Qaeda claim responsibility for the 3/11 train bombings?

So what? ETA didn't, so what? Please, read Luis del Pino 3/11 Enigmas, chapter 2 here, on the matter.

VOA,

ETA has operatives hidden in Latin America, some were involved in the first WTC bombing, as I translated.

Some ETA members, such as Yusuf Galán, had converted to Islam. Their ideoligies (violence, hate to the Western world...), are close, but ETA remains based in Southern France and even its political wing is supported by some Catholic Church Basque members.

BTW, your Public Broadcasting System does a GREAT JOB indeed. Judge Baltasar Garzón, a man that presented to elections in the Socialist list as #2, tried to stop the denounce of police forensic experts on a forged report excluding ETA from the 3/11, as you can read here.

Your PBS lies shamelessly.

pacelvi,

Is it saying that ETA did it and not AQ? I'm perfectly open to being persuaded. ..

Didn't AQ claim credit though?


I am saying that the most probable perpetrator is ETA on evidence we got now (up to now we did not have the analyses of the samples collected on the trains).

Al-Qaeda, where appears Al Qaeda in the 3/11 Judicial Summary??? My Godness, if it were no suicides on the trains!

Read Luis del Pino 3/11 Enigmas, chapter 2 here , on the matter. A phone call after the attack proves nothing.

If you have some time, you can read everything I have published on the case.

tanuki,

Unbelievable.

I agree.

So al Qaeda's 'role' in this whole thing was essentially a phone call claiming credit on behalf of the 'occupied' Iraqi people. And that brought an end to Aznar's legacy. And caused a shameful flight from Iraq that emboldened terrorists of all stripes everywhere.

Did Al Qaeda call or someone saying that it was Al Qaeda? They took the glory, but there are not evidences on the Judicial summary of Al Qaeda involvement in the attack, and very few on an Islamist one: there were no suicide bombers on the trains. For an Islamist dying killing infidels means paradise for eternity.

Still, that interpretation of events succeeded because it suited the agendas of a great many people in Spanish public life. For that, the Spanish people need to look hard into the mirror and confront what they have become. Then go north and find some real answers.

You are right. The Socialist Party, ETA and the regional Nationalist Parties were losing appeal and probably forced to dissapear in a few years. Oligarcs were unhappy with the free-market aproach of Aznar and the Euro, which exposed their companies to a foreign take over, also many main stream Spaniards, speculating in a huge real estate bubble, did not want any political disturbance that stopped a revaluation of their properties 17% annually... add to all this that Morocco and France could not allow a strong Spain backed by America, and you'll get some important keys to understand the whole picture.

Of course Spaniards are the ones to be blamed for what has, and is, happening. Just one thing can be said against this, and it is that we voted Aznar in his second term with an ample support, that gave him a majority in a parliament enough to reform the Police and the Secret Services, the people wanted it, but he didn't. In the end, I think 3/11 was Aznar's political responsibility, but not for Iraq.
11 posted on 02/17/2007 1:06:14 PM PST by J Aguilar (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: J Aguilar

I'm not entirely clear where all of this is leading. But those who remember what happen will recall that the Socialists won the election by claiming that Aznar was lying about the ETA being responsible.

What this evidence suggests to me is:

1) The Socialist government is making sure, in good clintonoid fashion, that any inconvenient evidence is suppressed.

2) Most likely the ETA were involved in the bombings, and the Socialists lied when they denied it.

I don't personally think this necessarily rules out Muslim terrorist involvement. I think it suggests that the ETA probably was working together with North African terrorists, either supplying them with the bombs or actually working together with them on the bombings.

This is not at all unlikely. It wouldn't be the first time that leftist European terrorists cooperated with Muslim terrorists. But the Socialist government's legitimacy is at stake, so they are working very hard to cover up evidence of what actually happened.

Why is that so hard to believe? Clinton did it repeatedly. And anyone who knows the history of Spain understands that their Socialists have a long history of Communist extremism and violence.


12 posted on 02/17/2007 2:05:34 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
Cicero,

1) The Socialist government is making sure, in good clintonoid fashion, that any inconvenient evidence is suppressed.

You don't know how right you are: EL MUNDO newspaper main story today "The Secret Service denies [access] to the Judge of 3/11 to a report they elaborated after talking to Trashorras".

Two possibilities immediately arise:

Why is this report kept under the Official Secrets Act? Was Trashorras a Secret Service member? Was he, the alleged supplier of explosives for the massacre, linked in any way to the Secret Services?

or, are the Secret Services simply being used to manipulate the trial? For whom do the Spanish Secret Services work? Evidently, not for the Spanish people.

2) Most likely the ETA were involved in the bombings, and the Socialists lied when they denied it.

I agree. There are some evidences and there is the important question of "negotiation", that is, surrender, to ETA, carried out by the Zapatero government, even after the Barajas airport bombing. ETA has Zapatero well caught.

I don't personally think this necessarily rules out Muslim terrorist involvement. I think it suggests that the ETA probably was working together with North African terrorists, either supplying them with the bombs or actually working together with them on the bombings.

True. We just know that the bombs were very probably quite advanced devices, beyond the skills of the Muslims arrested, that did not contain Goma-2 ECO; but we still don't know who left them on the trains.

This is not at all unlikely. It wouldn't be the first time that leftist European terrorists cooperated with Muslim terrorists. But the Socialist government's legitimacy is at stake, so they are working very hard to cover up evidence of what actually happened.

Right again. The Socialist party needs some kind of condemnatory sentence in the 3/11 case and a truce with ETA in order to call for National Elections and rinse the blood off its organization. Those are the ends and they will use any mean (Secret Services...) to get them.

Why is that so hard to believe? Clinton did it repeatedly. And anyone who knows the history of Spain understands that their Socialists have a long history of Communist extremism and violence.

That is true, and the root of the problem. Democracy in Spain has never worked because leftist parties never accepted it (well, they accepted it until its first defeat in elections came).
13 posted on 02/18/2007 1:01:22 AM PST by J Aguilar (Veritas vos liberabit)
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