The Religious Right's Era Is Over

Time ^ | February 16, 2007 | Jim Wallis

[Blackirish]

Sodomy and abortion - that's what Giuliani stands for; that's what his followers stand for.

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You might want to look around for a rag ...your dripping foam from your mouth.

Ted Olson...Newt Gingrich....Dennis Miller....all came out for Rudy this week.

Ted Olson was the Solicitor General for The US under this administration and lost his wife Barbara on a plane in the 9/11 attacks. He's a good man.

[Alex Murphy]

Jim Wallis, huh?

[CyberAnt]

This election has to be the DEATH of the Clinton's hold over the democrats. If we don't break this hold .. America will be in serious trouble.

Hillary will appease every foe .. while the "First Man" will be doing his duty in the Lincoln bedroom .. and any other bedroom available.

Secondly, while all that farse is going on .. our enemies will be plotting to destroy America .. one large city at a time .. or maybe several cities at once.

But .. never fear .. Hillary will come to the rescue and declare martial law .. and REMAIN PRESIDENT FOREVER .. because she will by EXECUTIVE ORDER cancel all the elections.

That may sound far fetched and way beyond reason .. but what was it that the esteemed 911 Commission said: "... the real failure was THE LACK OF VISION ...".

Well .. we better get our vision going if we plan on protecting America and what she stands for .. by not denying to ourselves .. the evil capabilities of the Clintons and their minions.

[redgolum]

Sadly, I have been hearing a lot of this in public. And some statements like "we need to start locking them up".

Interesting times ahead.

[don-o]

I wear them proudly.

Nice red herring there.

[Wallace T.]

In 2003, after the mid-term elections, President Bush had a unique opportunity to reshape the political landscape. For the first time since 1928, the GOP held the Presidency and both houses of Congress. We had won a military victory over the Iraqi Army and the President's approval ratings were extremely high. However, the next three years were marked by little pursuit of limited government goals, for which both the Administration and the Congressional leadership share the blame. Rather than strongly supporting privatization of Social Security, a good initiative by the President, the GOP led Congress deep sixed it while pursuing pork barrel projects. Speaker Denny Hastert may be gone from Congress, but his pet project, the billion dollar Prairie Parkway, a north south highway past the outer limits of the Chicago suburbs, is well funded and scheduled to begin construction. GOP led Congresses gave us huge budget deficits, an "accomplishment" that made the liberal Clinton administration look like tightwads. President Bush and the Republican Congress gave us another Medicare entitlement that will no doubt add to the tide of red ink. Furthermore, the President never used the veto pen to attack the huge deficits.

Note that what I have listed are economic and not social issues. The policies of the Administration and Congress gave economic conservatives little incentive to support the GOP. At least the social conservatives got two socially conservative Supreme Court justices and a ban on partial birth abortion. Economic conservatives got little more than a temporary tax cut. The Republican Party cannot afford another President who has a proven record of weakness in this area, as is the case with Rudy McRomney. Economic conservatives need to reject the frontrunners, even more so than the social conservatives.

[redgolum]

I'd love to say this is just so much hot air and media hype. But, actually, I think he's onto something. Just check out the effusive praise on this forum for Rudy Giuliani. Much of it is motivated by a real disgust for social conservatism--i.e., the much-hated Religious Right. If the most conservative forum on the Internet is awash with people who hate religious conservatives, then something is up. I don't know if the Soros-inspired coalition of secularists and religious leftists has won, but I'd say it is definitely winning over popular opinion.

The last few months have been eye opening. There is a large number of people on FR who would be happen if the GOP became a shadow of the Democrats on every issue but one, the war. They are pushing harder and harder to git rid of the religious and social conservatives.

I honestly fear what is coming.

[redgolum]

I never liked the PDL Warren movement. To much pop psychology and the theology of glory, not enough Christianity. When you focus on numbers and money at the expense of truth, don't be surprised when stuff like that happens.

[EternalVigilance]

Hey Rudy shill! Did you write this tripe?

[madprof98]

It's no secret what's coming. We can read it just a few posts back:

Good riddance to bad rubbish! They [religious conservatives] should have NEVER been partnered with the GOP and its small government philosophy. Brought some short term electoral success but look where we are now. Hopefully now that the "spend taxpayers money for Jesus" crew is deserting perhaps the Republican party can get back to its successful roots.

The only question is where we can go after both parties have rejected us.

[don-o]

FR is attempting to destroy its own best chance of winning an election.

If that is how you see it, why waste your time? To this point I have seen no converts to Rudyism on the board. But, I have seen one poster express some reservations for previous support.

Once again, this is the process. True to the board's founding principles, we hold to actual values. We do not discard them in the face of popular opinion, which can turn on a dime. Sorry if that befuddles some.

[redgolum]

Sounds like Democrat talking points.

Of which are now Republican talking points.

[EternalVigilance]

I honestly fear what is coming.

I do too, except for one thing: It's going to force the real Christians to pray, unite and act.

“Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair; the rest is in the hands of God.” - George Washington

Time for a new tagline...

[Salvation]

**The Religious Right's Era Is Over **

I don't think so. I think it is just beginning. They haven't seen "nothing" yet!

[redgolum]

I do too, except for one thing: It's going to force the real Christians to pray, unite and act.

Indeed. A few years ago, I asked my then pastor if he thought the reunion of Christendom would happen. He smiled and said it would happen, and probably soon. He then said "in the catacombs, we won't be worrying about which hymns to sing".

[x]

I'd love to say this is just so much hot air and media hype. But, actually, I think he's onto something. Just check out the effusive praise on this forum for Rudy Giuliani. Much of it is motivated by a real disgust for social conservatism--i.e., the much-hated Religious Right. If the most conservative forum on the Internet is awash with people who hate religious conservatives, then something is up. I don't know if the Soros-inspired coalition of secularists and religious leftists has won, but I'd say it is definitely winning over popular opinion.

Is it really hatred, or just a feeling that "these people" have been too influential too long? Politics does tend to translate differences of opinion into hostility and hatred, but it looks more to me that many other Americans are tired of the evangelicals' influence in conservative politics.

It's not so much that social conservatism is finished, rather it's that people are tired of those who've become most identified with social conservatism. Today, for many people in the Northeast and West Coast, "social conservatism" means "those strange people who live in another part of the country who don't like you and who you don't quite understand."

It wasn't like that in the Reagan era, when "social conservatism" meant a lot more than the evangelical bloc and the South. When it came to be "somebody else's property" it lost appeal in other parts of the country. It will take another big sorting-out of American politics before things change.

You can see a parallel with what happened in the 1920s. Urban Americans got tired of Prohibition, the Scopes Trial, Amy McPherson, Billy Sunday, and all the rest of the evangelical culture. In those days, though, evangelical Protestantism wasn't so closely identified with social conservatism, which found a home in other religions and traditions.

[MACVSOG68]

Living in mortal fear of those licentious religious conservatives?

Living in mortal fear of those who cherish freedom and believe in the Constitution?

[redgolum]

The only question is where we can go after both parties have rejected us.

Back to God. We have put our trust to much in Princes, and not in Christ.

And, I fear, we will soon be going into the catacombs.

[OKIEDOC]

Yep, when my neighbors kid announced that he was coming out of the closet along with his partner they also announced that his Baptist and his partners Catholic upbringing was way to confining for their worldly view of the church.

He joined some kind of United(about like the church Osama Obama belongs to) Whats Happening Now Church with wide views of what is and is not acceptable about bible teachings.

His father said the kid (32)now thinks that fundamentalist Christians are evil narrow minded, ignorant fools no better that the terrorist who want to kill all non Muslims.

He no longer believes that Jesus was the sole and only son of God.

There is a reason Homosexuality is treated as a perversion.

Why, because it totally changes a persons way of life and his views of morality.

[OKIEDOC]

Hum, spoken like the neighbors kid next door who just came out of the closet, switched religions and suddenly is far brighter and smarter than any so narrow minded Christian could ever be.