Posted on 02/16/2007 9:20:09 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
India has seen the writing on the wall, and prefers to walk softly and carry a big stick... rather than the Euro/liberal approach to potential adversaries: appeasement.
Gotta give the P3s we sold Pakistan, something to look for...
We got SSN 688s on the decom list. It would sure save money if we sold them rather than deactivating them.
snowrip, I was wondering what the U.S. would have to offer, but then I saw your comment on the 688s.
sukhoi-30mki, have you heard if that is what is being offered to the Indian Navy?
Can you imagine how bad the inside of an Indian Submarine would smell? Curry dinners every night...Of gosh that would be aweful.
Nope,I don't think the US will sell SSNs to even it's closest allies & India & the US are just getting together.Besides the costs of operating & manning a US SSN for any period of time are a wee bit high for most navies.
This particular contract is for a series of 6 new Diesel electric subs fitted with a AIP modules.The only compettors seem to be the Russians(likely winners) & Germans.The US hasn't built such subs in ages,though it could offer combat management systems,sonars,EW equipment,torpedoes & Fuel cells(already being sold for Spain's new subs).I don't think the Germans wouldn't mind allowing American systems on their subs.
Dude,the stuff served on most diesel/electric subs is very bland & tasteless.Stuff like curry are rarely made.
The European elite believe in appeasement because they expect the UNITED STATES to save their sorry, lazy, degenerate asses.
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Makes sense to me. Interesting that the Swedes, with their Sterling AIP systems are not in the running. Must not have the necessary stealth or combat systems to fill the Indian Navy requirements.
Well Sweden doesn't have the kind of pulling power other arms exporters have.The Swedish sub manufacturer,Kockums is now a fully owned subsidiary of Germany's HDW.
Hence the Germans being in the running. Thanks for the clarification and information.
I always look forward to your posts. You always have excellent information that keeps the military junkie in me thinking and up to date.
One more nation for France to surrender to.
Yup. The Americans do not have this technology since they rely exclusively on their nuclear powered subs. This might have been a fundamental fault since the D/E-tech developed the past few years in a breathtaking manner. As you probably know it is impossible to make nuclear subs absolutely quiet due to the necessity to cool the reactor. This is different with a modern D/E-sub that is practically undedectable. Since the endurance to dive with a D/E-AIP eqipped sub is 2 weeks and more the former tactical handicap through the need to snorkel is not that impressive anymore.
Besides - The American incompetence to build such subs already is a political problem. The early Bush administration wished to deliver HDW-subs to Taiwan but the German gouvernment refused, because they didn't want to mess around with the Chicoms. Therefore it is not possible for America to give Taiwan the technical possibility to defend itself against China. As far as I know America does not sell nuclear technology to other nations execept of the UK. This contains the nuclear propulsion of subs to my knowlege (is this true?). All other European producers also refused to deliver or to give licences to build D/E-boats in other places (like in Israel). That means that the US have to defend Taiwan by themselves since the Taiwanese are not able to get suitable technology.
If I would be you Indians I would buy the original AIP instead of a bad Russian copy.---- Oh yeah ---- I know --- the price.
Nevertheless - German subs might be not cheap but you get real "bang" for the buck.
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Umm & you are sure that all that money will be spent on such infrastructure-India spends very little of it's GDP on defence unlike many of its neighbours.
I really don't know if you can call fuel cells solely German-Many nations incl. Russia & the US have been working on them for a while now,though the German system is established now as the best.
Russian subs since the Kilo class have been actually good as far as quieting & weaponry goes & you can expect the Amur to be no worse.I would have actually preferred if India opted to buy the Type-214 for it's submarine line,instead of the French Scorpene & then gone for the Russian design-just like it did in the 80s.The Scorpene was probably selected to get French help on Nuclear technology & stand-off weaponry,which Germany probably couldn't match.This new Amur class could possibly be modified to vertically launch the Brahmos or Klub cruise missiles-which would be a first for any SSK.
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