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Trolley Square killer had violent juvenile history
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | Feb. 15, 2007 | Stephen Hunt and Brent Israelsen

Posted on 02/16/2007 5:56:14 AM PST by Alouette

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To: Lokibob

The paper may be trying to sell Romney subliminally to the vast majority of its readership who might not otherwise know .. or need reminding .. about his religious affiliation.


21 posted on 02/16/2007 6:28:16 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: Alouette
(1) Muslim? Check.

(2) Abuses women? Check.

(3) Murders unarmed innocent strangers like a sniveling coward? Check.

Koran implementation? Successful.

22 posted on 02/16/2007 6:31:38 AM PST by wideawake
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To: JB in Whitefish
OK, if a kid is screwed up and violent...that automatically makes him a JIHADIST...right....???

And a Muslim of course. Now we have the knife as his weapon of choice, and it's checkmate.

23 posted on 02/16/2007 6:32:34 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: JB in Whitefish

That's what I think. I think we have a kid who was emotionally traumatized by being in Bosnia during the the war there, coming to Utah, having a troubled adolescence, ane when he decided on suicide by cop, he does it in a cross between the Matrix and Jihadi.

If his family is going around saying how nice he was, it's probably because 1) they are somewhat in denial mode, 2) he probably acted nice a lot around his family, 3) they didn't realize how deep his misery was.

I would be very interested to know what was happening in his school relationships. Did the kids see him as quiet and a loner? Did he have a reputation as a bully, or was scared of being seen as a poser?

Sometimes, non-Mormon kids in Utah schools hang out in groups that can get them into more trouble because they don't want to be seen as "goody-goody" and that leads to other problems (they are often joined by Mormon kids in rebellion, too, for that matter.)

Many questions in the back of my mind, based on my experience of getting a troubled teen (who got traumatized at about the same age that this young man left Bosnia) through the Utah school system.

The question can be "How do we keep troubled kids from thinking these things are cool?"


24 posted on 02/16/2007 6:33:16 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: jiggyboy
Now we have the knife as his weapon of choice

Oops, I forgot about the stoning. Are we certain he wasn't 25 years old 10 years ago? Man you wouldn't dare to make up a caricature this sterotypical. Talk about your collective memory, man this is right off the graph.

25 posted on 02/16/2007 6:35:39 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: radar101

ALl you need to know about the difference between Christ and the blasphemer knowns as Mohammed is this...


Christ Died for your sins, Mohammed would kill you for them.


26 posted on 02/16/2007 6:36:08 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: radar101

ALl you need to know about the difference between Christ and the blasphemer knowns as Mohammed is this...


Christ Died for your sins, Mohammed would kill you for them.


27 posted on 02/16/2007 6:36:08 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Monterrosa-24

OK, you win.

EVERY violent act by a Serbian or Muslim from now on means WAR....!!!!


I just think there's a difference between actually immersing oneself in the religion of pieces and looking for an excuse to exhibit your violent tendencies.

In this case it appears more like some gang wannabe attempting to impress the homies than a one man sleeper cell. I never SAID the kid was "peaceful"....only that unless there's some definitive proof or more nefarious connections it's just one MORE twisted youth with no future attempting to make as many people as possible miserable on his way out.

In FACT, I think this punk would most likely be jumping for joy if he could read the majority of the responses I've seen on this site. After all....it's not exclusively "terrorism territory" for muslims.

What about folks like Charlie Manson...???

What I DON'T "get" is how both the Chapel Hill and Fremont/San Francisco, and Seattle women's shooting incidents were DEFINITELY declared to be done "for allah" by the perpetrators.....and STILL there's denial on the part of the government.

I'm just curious.....I wonder how many people have been gunned down in gang violence in LA, ChiTown, Nawlins, etc. since Valentines Day....???


28 posted on 02/16/2007 6:37:11 AM PST by JB in Whitefish
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

"The question can be "How do we keep troubled kids from thinking these things are cool?"

Thank you for your reasoned response. You managed to say better what I was stumbling about.

" having a troubled adolescence, ane when he decided on suicide by cop, he does it in a cross between the Matrix and Jihadi."

BINGO...!!!

There's also the possibility his father was violent...but only in the home...I think this kid was way more screwed up than anyone imagined and was probably NOT getting it on with the girlies, by force or otherwise....an outcast of some sort with a violent chip on his shoulder.

I'm NOT excusing his acts in any way....I just don't think it's AUTOMATIC that all muslims are presumed guilty until lynched.


29 posted on 02/16/2007 6:47:26 AM PST by JB in Whitefish
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To: Alouette

Your criminal justice system at work. Pray that you and yours don't run into a psycho kid. The government isn't doing anything about it.


30 posted on 02/16/2007 7:03:45 AM PST by popdonnelly (Conservatives must have their own long march through the institutions.)
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To: Alouette

The first thing the media found was a female family member who said" We don't know why he did this. He was such a good boy".

I am so sick of all these family members across the nation being in complete denial. But they get their 15 seconds of fame, I guess.

How could thie female not know of the violent history thie kid had? Disgusting,,, Truly disgusting..


31 posted on 02/16/2007 7:04:41 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles
How could this female not know of the violent history this kid had?

She did know. But in their culture this is "normal" behavior.

32 posted on 02/16/2007 7:07:20 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: JB in Whitefish

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8dbc5_4507

Apparently he was yelling "Allah Akbar" while running around the mall killing people.

Does that answer your question?


33 posted on 02/16/2007 7:08:40 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Lokibob

Harry Reid is never slammed for being a Mormon.


34 posted on 02/16/2007 7:11:29 AM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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To: ctdonath2

I'm sorry...but you cannot hear him yelling "Allah Akbar" in that video....unless you want to hear that.


35 posted on 02/16/2007 7:12:17 AM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: Alouette

Let's see how many excuses the media can find for this murderer.
Now that the media know his ideological background, they are going to do everything they can to excuse his behavior and blame it on everything but jihadism.
Disgusting.


36 posted on 02/16/2007 7:18:12 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (mediabots are 100% in the tank for the left and for jihadists.)
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To: ctdonath2
Apparently he was yelling "Allah Akbar" while running around the mall killing people.

Does that answer your question?


Hell no -- he's going to defend every murdering son-of-bitch that comes down the pipe.

I have never seen such clear examples of moral relativism in my life.
37 posted on 02/16/2007 7:22:59 AM PST by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
Here's an incomplete list of Sudden Jihad Syndrome terrorists who were all described as acting alone by the cops and/or FBI.

At the time, there were many people that defended or excused their actions just like some of the posters here.

Ali R. Warrayat
An Arizona Home Depot employee jumped out of the car’s path. To drown out the man’s yells, Warrayat reached over to his car radio and blasted Arabic music before crashing through the front doors.

Charles Bishop (Bishra)
A note written by the 15-year-old boy who crashed a Cessna into a Tampa office building indicated he supported Osama bin Laden and that the act was deliberate, authorities say.

Haider Mohammed
Contacted by Palm Springs Police, FBI investigators described Muslim who was arrested after threatening to 'Kill All Jews' as "not a person of interest."

Hesham Mohamed Ali Hadayet
The suspect, Egyptian-born Hesham Mohamed Ali Hadayet, left two people dead and five injured at the El Al airlines ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport before being fatally shot by a security guard.

John Muhammad
Federal prosecutors filed a criminal complaint, charging alleged Beltway Sniper John Muhammad with 20 felony counts, including extortion and intent to commit murder.

Marc Lepine (Gamal Gharbhi)
For 45 minutes on Dec. 6, 1989 an enraged gunman roamed the corridors of Montreal's École Polytechnique and killed 14 women.

Mohammed Ali Alayed
After apparently undergoing a religious awakening, a Saudi Arabian student in Houston killed his Jewish friend by slashing his throat.

Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar
Just-graduated student named Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, 22, and an Iranian immigrant, drove a sport utility vehicle into a crowded pedestrian zone at University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill. He struck nine people.

Naveed Afzal Haq
Eyewitnesses told the Seattle News that Mr. Haq announced, "I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel," and then began shooting. He killed one woman and wounded five others.

Omeed Aziz Popal
Up to 14 hurt in San Francisco hit-and-run spree. Seven are critical. The driver believed to have struck and killed a man in Fremont earlier.

Sulejman Talovic
Police Tuesday identified the gunman accused in Monday night's Trolley Square shooting as Sulejman Talovic, an 18-year-old Bosnian refugee who lived in Salt Lake City.

When you have victims of Sudden Jihad Syndrome piling up all over the country, the reasonable person would conclude -- that's terrorism.

Whether the root cause of these rampages is in the genes of these maniacs or the result of a conspiracy is completely irrelevant.

38 posted on 02/16/2007 7:25:53 AM PST by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Good dose of common sense there. :-)

I keep thinking of the fact that his victims were found in a Hallmark store on Valentine's Day after that slew of articles and proclamations of the evil inherent in that holiday by the Imans.

Was this a crime of opportunity? Or a Jihad/hate crime?


39 posted on 02/16/2007 7:27:46 AM PST by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: ContemptofCourt

Surprising how many will deny what is plain.


40 posted on 02/16/2007 7:27:53 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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