Evangelical leader sizes up GOP field, says Giuliani’s campaign is doomed

The Hill ^ | 16 February 2007 | Sam Youngman

[Spiff]

Rudy Giuliani Supports Partial Birth Abortion...Evangelical Christians Don't.

[GEORGE] WILL: Is your support of partial birth abortion firm?
Mayor GIULIANI: All of my positions are firm. I have strong viewpoints. I express them. And I--I do not think that it makes sense to be changing your position....
ABC News February 6, 2000

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TUCHMAN: Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports.
GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.
- CNN December 2, 1999

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BLITZER: If you were in the Senate and [President Clinton] vetoed, once again, the [ban on the] so-called partial-birth abortion procedure, you would vote against sustaining that against the -- in favor of the veto in other words, you would support the president on that.
GIULIANI: Yes. I said then that I support him, so I have no reason to change my mind about it.
BLITZER: All right. So the bottom line is that on a lot of these very sensitive issues whether on guns, abortion, patients' bill of rights, taxes, you are more in line with the president and by association, with Mrs. Clinton, than you are against them.
- CNN February 6, 2000

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MR. RUSSERT: A banning of late-term abortions, so-called partial-birth abortions--you're against that?

MAYOR GIULIANI: I'm against it in New York, because in New York...

MR. RUSSERT: Well, if you were a senator, would you vote with the president or against the president? [Note: President Clinton was in office in 2000]

MAYOR GIULIANI: I would vote to preserve the option for women. I think that choice is a very difficult one. It's a very, very--it's one in which people of conscious have very, very different opinions. I think the better thing for America to do is to leave that choice to the woman, because it affects her probably more than anyone else....

MR. RUSSERT: So you won't change your view on late-term abortion in order to get the Conservative Party endorsement?

MAYOR GIULIANI: It isn't just that. We shouldn't limit this to one issue. I'm generally not going to change my views
- NBC Meet the Press, February 6, 2000

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***Note: the version of the Partial Birth Abortion Ban that Giuliani opposed in 2000, that he said he supported Bill Clinton in vetoing the Republican-controlled Congress's legislation, contained the exception for the life of the mother that Rudy is now trying to pretend is a prerequisite for his support of it.

[Chi-townChief]

For more reasons than just that.

[Old_Mil]

With the latest poll here, it is pretty clear that a Rudy run would meet an ugly end in the general election.

In fact, if enoug of the undecideds decide to follow their convictions and vote for the Constitution Party in the general election, the constitution Party will outpoll the Pubbies.

[Dudoight]

So, if Rudy gets the GOP nomination we should all vote for the democrat? You gotta be kidding me?

[Spiff]

(((((STOP RUDY PING)))))

[SLB]

I am a born again Christian and would have a rough time going into the booth and voting for Rudy. I would take him over any of the democrats, but it would be an extremely hard vote to cast.

[Vaquero]

…most of Clintons Policies are very similar to most of mine... Rudy Giuliani 1996

On AbortionI’ve said that I’ll uphold a woman’s right to choice, that I will fund abortions so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right others can exercise… Rudy Giuliani 1989.

On Gun Control This is an industry that is profiting from the suffering of innocent people. What’s worse, its profits rest on a number of illegal and immoral practices. This lawsuit is meant to end the free pass that the gun industry has so long enjoyed... Rudy Giuliani 2000 after filing suit against gun makers and distributors.

On Gun Control We need a federal law that bans all assault weapons, and if in fact you do need a handgun you should be subjected to at least the same restrictions-and really stronger ones-that exist for driving an automobile... Rudy Giuliani 1997

[Dudoight]

Keep in mind that a vote for a 'third' party is a vote for the Democratic candidate.

[proud American in Canada]

if Rudy gets the GOP nomination we should all vote for the democrat? You gotta be kidding me?

Exactly. Why don't we see who wins the primaries first. Personally I'll vote for Rudy in the primaries, but even if someone I didn't want got the nomination, I'd vote for him.

I didn't vote for GW in the primaries, but I did in the general election.

I also love (sarcasm here) how the author talks about a "journey" for Mitt Romney, but if Rudy expresses more conservative thoughts on social issues, it's dismissed.

[Nathan Zachary]

So, southern Baptists are who MSM says are these influential Evangelical Christian leaders" they always talk about.

I sure am glad they finally cleared that up. I always wondered which Christian sec they meant. I was thinking Mormons in Ohio for a while there...

[Chi-townChief]

Too many photos of Rudy dressed as a woman floating around. That would be okay if he was running for British PM but for POTUS, it's a killer; more so than any of his policies.

[pissant]

It isn't the only issue that will sink Rudy. His anti-gun record makes Ray Naggin seem like Wayne LaPierre.

[pissant]

The point is to PREVENT Rudy from getting the nomination.

[WKB]

Baptist Ping

[Old_Mil]

Look at the poll. 20 million third party votes will be an earthquake in American politics.

Scare tactitcs don't work anymore.

[Spiff]

Keep in mind that a vote for a 'third' party is a vote for the Democratic candidate.

You miss the point of what Land said. He's not advocating that evangelicals vote third party or not at all. He's telling you that they won't vote for Giuliani if he's the nominee.

In other words, he's telling you that if you build an airplane out of solid cement, gravity won't let it fly and it will crumble under its own weight if you try. The evangelical and social conservative Christian vote is not going to go to Rudy. It can't. It is a force like gravity and you can't change it, you have to understand it and work with it. As a conservative Christian there are no circumstances where I can vote for a person who supports abortion. Giuliani is the worst Republican candidate, in that respect, that has ever been a frontrunner. If he gets the nomination, the Democrat will win.

[Hydroshock]

No but many will go third party or just stay home rather then vote for Rino Rudy.

[Nathan Zachary]

It's only a pol, and we have an entire year before the primaries. A lot could happen before then. And a lot could happen from that time to the general election as well.

MSM may well have made up their minds and elected the next POTUS, but the general public haven't. All of MSM's efforts to step over the people and select a Presidents of their choosing could go up in smoke should something drastic happen.

[Nathan Zachary]

Have you ever voted for a democrat? If so who?

[doc30]

In fact, if enoug of the undecideds decide to follow their convictions and vote for the Constitution Party in the general election, the constitution Party will outpoll the Pubbies.

Thereby guaranteeing a victory for the dems at all levels.