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Come on Jim this is not a matter of "toughness". It isn't my wish that there be no credible hard conservative to challenge Giuliani nor is it the wish of any of us speaking favorably about him. We are not a coven of closet liberals as some have claimed but are some of the longest standing and most prolific posters around.

Most of us had hopes that Allen or Santorum would be challenging for the nomination from the Right. That hope was ended when the conservative leadership in the Senate was wiped out by EVERY conservative running getting beat. This was the core of conservative talent.

We simply see no alternative to Giuliani given the last election but to making a tactical retreat from what is considered by the American voter to be a too extreme position. You know it isn't and I now it isn't extremist but the Treason Media has convinced the voter that this is what it is. A Giuliani candidacy undermines that attack.

My real worry is that the far Right will marginalize itself through vicious attacks on a candidate who looks to me like he will be the candidate. Whereas attacks based upon principle would not be so marginalizing but Giuliani is ridiculed as a Drag Queen, Julianne, Ruby, his cancer mocked, his sexual potency made joke of. This does nothing but damage to conservatism.

There is a very good chance that, should he earn the nomination, his running mate will be as conservative as you would like. If so, this sets up future leadership potential and a reinvigoration of the conservative movement. Sometimes we must take a step back after taking two forward.

His antagonists should adopt the approach of Gingrich in speaking respectfully of the man even if they do not praise him as fulsomely as Newt did. Of course, the course insults never came from you so that was meant only as a general comment which does fit many here.

Can't agree with you, sorry. Democrat light will not win against Hillary Clinton. The liberal leaning voters will go for the real deal, and the pro life, pro liberty voters can't stand his liberal pro abortion, pro gay, anti-gun, weak on illegal immigration positions and don't trust the man. He's going to split or chase off the conservative vote and it'll be 1992/1996 all over again. We need someone who can unite all the conservative voters and ignite the grassroots with a passion. Rudy is the wrong man for the job.

we do have alot of good conservatives, but why aren't they out there. where have they been all these years, why weren't they out there like Reagan was - Reagan spent years and years developing a message; the arguments, the thoughts, the ability to deliver it and persuade people. If you have a chance, listen to some of his older speeches.

From what I see, conservative politicos have simply been - lazy. its like a baseball game, where the team needs a player to get a key hit, they look down the bench and see all the stars are 20 pounds overweight and out of shape, and haven't taken batting practice for 2 months.