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Deseret News hits "ultraconservative" websites for suggesting Salt Lake shooting was jihad-motivated
JihadWatch.org ^ | 15Februrary 2007 | Robert

Posted on 02/15/2007 9:59:22 AM PST by NraFreedom

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To: Wallace T.

I think the ones who are trying to deflect attention from a possible religious explanation -- and I'm not saying this IS the explanation -- by bringing up Columbine are missing the point.

If I recall correctly, Harris and Kebold were dabblers in the Goth culture, which, like radical Islam, also devalues human life and glorifies death. Ideas have consequences.

If this young man had been taught that non-Muslim Americans were the equivalent of pigs and monkeys, that the ultimate fate of infidels is death, and that by dying in the act of Jihad he would get him 72 virgins for eternity, then, it seems to me, that is a relevant consideration in the search for his "motive."


41 posted on 02/15/2007 10:52:41 AM PST by lady lawyer
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To: Americanexpat

How about that entire familly that was hacked up in Buffalo or near Buffalo a couple years back? That was done by a muslim, but the media killed that as fast as possible.


42 posted on 02/15/2007 10:54:17 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Earthdweller

CAIR getting unfriendly emails=random shoppers shot dead in a mall.

I am so sick of these asshats.


43 posted on 02/15/2007 10:54:52 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: Brilliant
The first thing out of my mouth when I heard he was a Bosnian, was 'bet he's a Muslim'
44 posted on 02/15/2007 10:58:39 AM PST by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: brityank; Vaquero; NraFreedom



Link to video in #39:


http://www.kutv.com/video/?id=23425@kutv.dayport.com">http://www.kutv.com/video/?id=23425@kutv.dayport.com


45 posted on 02/15/2007 11:00:10 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: lady lawyer

There was also a shooting in Montreal years back. (not this most recent one, which seems to be connected to Goth cult)
Lepine? (not his real muslim name) Canadian media completely ignored the Muslim connection, the fact that his father was a strict Muslim, hated women. This kid, thinking it was women at the Montreal University who were holding up his education, went nuts and shot a bunch of women, bringing about the liberal gun registry.

They need to register illegal muslims in Canada, not legal guns.


46 posted on 02/15/2007 11:01:30 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: brityank; Vaquero; NraFreedom




REVISED LINK:


http://kutv.com/video/?id=23425@kutv.dayport.com">http://kutv.com/video/?id=23425@kutv.dayport.com


47 posted on 02/15/2007 11:03:16 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: lady lawyer

Plus there are a number of "Honor killings" every year which are never reported as such.


48 posted on 02/15/2007 11:03:19 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: justshutupandtakeit

"The writer of the article does not understand it. The writer quoted by him does. The former makes a really dumb remark after the quote "Note the 'sics'. The message here is only those who are idiots could possibility think this way." That is NOT what the "sics" mean."

You're right. This part of the article is just plain dumb because it shows either that the author is twisting passages to suit his agenda or he just doesn't understand why the "sics" were used the way they were.


49 posted on 02/15/2007 11:04:23 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: SMARTY

The comment in the article that "Bosnian muslims are mostly secular" is a bunch of BS as well. They are every bit as radical as the rest. They've destroyed cenruries old orthadox monastaries, and use other churches -abandoned because of the fighting- as public urnals to prove how "secular" they are.


50 posted on 02/15/2007 11:07:43 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: NraFreedom
The first thing I noticed was that this family “isolated” itself from the community, with the exception of working. A neighbor said of the shooter that he was kind of a hermit and that neighbors did not know him at all. This is what the community of Islam does when it immigrates to the West; they isolate themselves from the western culture into which they have chosen to locate.

The same can be said about almost every group of non-English speaking immigrants. Almost every big city in North America has a "Little Italy" and "Chinatown" and many have a "Little Havana" or other ethnic areas.

51 posted on 02/15/2007 11:11:15 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: gracesdad

It's unreasonable enough to expect that liberal "journalists" be educated in English. You want them to understand Latin usages as well?


52 posted on 02/15/2007 11:16:14 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: NraFreedom

A Jihad of one.

self apparent.


53 posted on 02/15/2007 11:21:28 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: NraFreedom

Who in the world is Desert Rat News?


54 posted on 02/15/2007 11:23:08 AM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: phillyfanatic
The problem with the MSM is that they think if they tell the truth that the "wild cowboys of the west with guns" (their bigoted stereotype not mine) will get angry and go out and start playing shoot'em up at the Mosques.

DUH!! If this was going to happen.....don't they think it would have happened right after 9/11?

If they keep lying to people and telling people to shut up it is more likely to cause increased frustration. Are they purposely trying to provoke people by telling all these lies while at the same time trying to silence them? I'm beginning to think so.

You can never underestimate the Anti-American, Pro-communism, Pro-terrorism, Anti-Religion leftists that infested the media. They have an agenda and it does not have the interests of most Americans at heart.

Keep your cool and NEVER shut up!

55 posted on 02/15/2007 11:27:01 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

In the 1980's - either 86 or 87 - I remember reading in the Navy Times about some guy who shot and killed his Navy Instructor at the ET school located at Great Lakes. He was a Saudi and was failing. Because his 'honor' was at stake, he shot and killed his instructor. I do not know if he was a practicing Muslim - I believe he came from the Saud family. Does anyone remember anything about this?


56 posted on 02/15/2007 11:29:24 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: NraFreedom

You need to look at the source!

From Wiki
The Deseret Morning News is a newspaper published in Salt Lake City, Utah, and is Utah's oldest continually published daily newspaper. It has the second largest daily circulation in the state behind The Salt Lake Tribune. The Deseret Morning News is owned by Deseret News Publishing Company, a subsidiary of Deseret Management Corporation, which is a for-profit business holdings company owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (widely known as the Mormon or LDS Church).

The newspaper is published by Newspaper Agency Corporation, which it co-owns with the Tribune under a joint operating agreement. As of 2000, its circulation was roughly half of the Tribune's.

The Deseret Morning News also publishes a weekly tabloid, the LDS Church News, which is included as a section in the newspaper and also distributed as a separate publication outside Utah.

The mall owners, ScanlanKemperBard Companies, are out of Portland, and purchased the property from the Simon Group. There was some questions about tax cuts/breaks before the development, so I don't know what the connection between the mall owners and local pols might be.

My point? Not a muzzie claims driven by - old money covering its six.....


57 posted on 02/15/2007 11:30:12 AM PST by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: Labyrinthos
That's true enough, but that only lasts for a generation or 2 then they assimilate into mainstream America. This isn't true for Muslims, they stay within their chosen geographical area and expand on it, slowly increasing demands for their "cultural rights". Take Dearborn Michigan for example. As the Muslim population grows, the non- Muslim population leaves.
Now they have the call to prayer blaring from mosks. Soon, Sharia law, which they claim is to settle "family disputes" in keeping with the ways of their "culture".

They do not assimilate into western society. Those that do, mysteriously vanish, either they are in hiding because they are apostates or ? Of those that end up murdered, I wonder how many cases are unsolved, or have suspicious explanations. You can bet the media won't look to deeply into these cases.

58 posted on 02/15/2007 11:30:40 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: From One - Many
Here's an incomplete list of Sudden Jihad Syndrome terrorists who were all described as acting alone by the cops and/or FBI:

Ali R. Warrayat
An Arizona Home Depot employee jumped out of the car’s path. To drown out the man’s yells, Warrayat reached over to his car radio and blasted Arabic music before crashing through the front doors.

Charles Bishop (Bishra)
A note written by the 15-year-old boy who crashed a Cessna into a Tampa office building indicated he supported Osama bin Laden and that the act was deliberate, authorities say.

Haider Mohammed
Contacted by Palm Springs Police, FBI investigators described Muslim who was arrested after threatening to 'Kill All Jews' as "not a person of interest."

Hesham Mohamed Ali Hadayet
The suspect, Egyptian-born Hesham Mohamed Ali Hadayet, left two people dead and five injured at the El Al airlines ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport before being fatally shot by a security guard.

John Muhammad
Federal prosecutors filed a criminal complaint, charging alleged Beltway Sniper John Muhammad with 20 felony counts, including extortion and intent to commit murder.

Marc Lepine (Gamal Gharbhi)
For 45 minutes on Dec. 6, 1989 an enraged gunman roamed the corridors of Montreal's École Polytechnique and killed 14 women.

Mohammed Ali Alayed
After apparently undergoing a religious awakening, a Saudi Arabian student in Houston killed his Jewish friend by slashing his throat.

Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar
Just-graduated student named Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, 22, and an Iranian immigrant, drove a sport utility vehicle into a crowded pedestrian zone at University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill. He struck nine people.

Naveed Afzal Haq
Eyewitnesses told the Seattle News that Mr. Haq announced, "I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel," and then began shooting. He killed one woman and wounded five others.

Omeed Aziz Popal
Up to 14 hurt in San Francisco hit-and-run spree. Seven are critical. The driver believed to have struck and killed a man in Fremont earlier.

Sulejman Talovic
Police Tuesday identified the gunman accused in Monday night's Trolley Square shooting as Sulejman Talovic, an 18-year-old Bosnian refugee who lived in Salt Lake City.

When you have victims of Sudden Jihad Syndrome piling up all over the country, the reasonable person would conclude -- that's terrorism.

Whether the root cause of these rampages is in the genes of these maniacs or the result of a conspiracy is completely irrelevant.

59 posted on 02/15/2007 11:32:43 AM PST by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Red Boots; mewzilla; NraFreedom
Here - from the same article - is how the lies are beginning to evolve:

1st paragraph (red added for emphasis):
"He fled a war with his family as a child and came to Utah as a refugee. He floated from school to school before dropping out. A Muslim, he sometimes attended a Salt Lake City mosque for Friday prayers before landing a full-time job to help support his parents and three sisters. "

Buried 16 or so paragraphs down(red added for emphasis):
"Although he quit school at 16, Sulejman Talovic often attended Friday prayers at the Al-Noor mosque on 700 East in Salt Lake City, said Salih Omerovic, Ajka's cousin."

sltrib.com - 1/15/07

60 posted on 02/15/2007 11:35:09 AM PST by drpix
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