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To: ancient_geezer
The eq I = A ln(C/Co) Represents an increase in absorbance over some fixed concentration Co. The factor A, must be evaluated at some fixed Po and Co. If either of those change, the relation no longer holds.
139 posted on 02/17/2007 7:40:47 AM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani)
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To: ancient_geezer
JUst using numbers from memory. The Earth's avg temp is 18oC. You gave a value of 1.2W/m2 for the additional absorption due to doubling the CO2, instead of the 3.7W/m2 for a dry atmosphere. I assume the 1.2W/m2 is due to absorption outside the band overlap? Then the temp rises 0.22oC from CO2. That would result in a 1.01% increase in avg water vapor concentration, and 0.062oC of cooling, resulting in a net increase of 0.16oC. What temp increase would the 1.01% increase in water, plus the overlap increase in CO2 give?
141 posted on 02/17/2007 8:39:51 AM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani)
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To: spunkets

The eq I = A ln(C/Co) Represents an increase in absorbance over some fixed concentration Co. The factor A, must be evaluated at some fixed Po and Co. If either of those change, the relation no longer holds.

Ahem, interesting that for logarithmic relationships, my spread sheet and slide rule demonstrates otherwise.

The change is a fixed amount for a given percentage change in concentration no matter what initial Co one may select, the constant is a never mind where change in forcing is concerned, necessary only for when one needs to express the total cumulative change from 0 concentration, which is not what the functions convey, nor can they, as 0 concentration is undefined in a logarithmic relation as well as when chosen as a denominator in a fraction.

On a logarithmic curve, it doesn't matter what I choose as my Co as long as it is not 0 and the log relationship holds in the range I wish to evaluate. The increment in the result remains fixed for a percentage change in C. That is an inherent characteristic of the log function and why it is the basis of the slide rule.

The change from any Co remains constant for a doubling or indeed for any percentage one chooses to evaluate. It doesn't matter what your initial Co is as long as the selected value of Co is such that it is within the empirical range of values for which the logarithmic relation holds.

142 posted on 02/17/2007 8:50:14 AM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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