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To: Mount Athos
American Jews hate the Christian GOP.

Communist democrats are anti-Christian as well, the 2 groups have a mutual interest.

2 posted on 02/13/2007 10:05:49 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Rome2000
'American Jews hate the Christian GOP."

And the "Christian GOP" has been the best friend Israel has EVER had....

It could be argued further that Liberal Jews have been among the biggest enemies Israel has ever had. At least they vote with Israel's enemies.

Go figure. (At least it seems Joe Lieberman has).

5 posted on 02/13/2007 10:11:57 PM PST by drc43 (Judges... Judges... get it done, then we can discuss priorities)
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To: Rome2000
American Jews hate the Christian GOP.

Jews hate Christians and Republicans, and love Democrats. Democrats love Islamics, and hate Christians and Republicans. Islamics hate Christians and Republicans, and really hate Jews, enough to want them all dead. What do they all have in common? They all hate Christians and Republicans. This actually makes sense for Islamists, in a way, but Jews must have a death wish, because after the Christians and Republicans are defeated, the Democrats will be no help to the Jews.

10 posted on 02/13/2007 10:20:17 PM PST by webheart
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To: Rome2000
The irony in the dislike that most Jews have for the Republican Party, or at least the Christian Right segment of that party, is that Israel has no better friend among non-Jews than the evangelicals and fundamentalist Christians who strongly support the continued existence of the Jewish state. You will hear more support for Israel and opposition to Islamic radicalism from the likes of John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, etc., than from about anywhere among Christians. Israeli politicians like Benjamin Netanyahu have recognized this fact far better than the American Jewish community, by and large, and have cultivated strong relationships with American evangelicals and fundamentalists.

A major reason for the distrust among American Jews of conservative Christians stems from their background in central and eastern Europe, in nations where the predominant brands of Christianity are Catholic, Lutheran, and Eastern Orthodox. Nationalist and traditionalist political movements in those nations tended to be anti-Semitic to one degree or another, whether it was the Black Hundreds of Tsarist Russia, the Arrow Cross movement in Hungary, or the Iron Guard movement in Romania. The most extreme anti-Semitic movement in that region was the nationalist (although not traditionalist, but neo-pagan) National Socialists of Germany. Most American Jews are the descendants of people who left Eastern and Central Europe before World War I, when these nationalist movements were on the rise. In the aftermath of the rise of Hitler and World War II, a smaller, but significant, wave of Holocaust survivors arrived in America.

Even in the United States, nationalist and Christian oriented groups in the period between the World Wars, like the Ku Klux Klan in the 1920s and the Silver Shirts and the Christian Front in the 1930s, and men strongly identified with those groups, like Henry Ford, Charles Coughlin, and Gerald L.K. Smith, blamed the Jews or Jewish influences for many of the problems of the country.

The post-World War II conservative movement was largely free of these influences, and several of its leaders, such as Frank Meyer and Milton Friedman, were of Jewish background. The most prominent conservative political leader, Barry Goldwater, was an Episcopalian with paternal Jewish ancestry. However, the conspiracist fringe of conservatism espoused theories of international intrigue (e.g., the 1971 book promoted by the John Birch Society, None Dare Call It Conspiracy) that seemed like the old Nazi and Tsarist tales of Jewish intrigue, sanitized of overt anti-Semitism. Additionally, even the mainstream conservative movement, even while it rejected and mocked the conspiracists, was never fully comfortable with the state of Israel, due to the socialist faction involved in its founding and the movement's financial and historical links with the oil and gas industry (William Buckley's father was an oil man), with its ties to Middle Eastern energy production.

The Democrats, OTOH, had a strong history of support for Israel. Harry Truman immediately recognized Israel's independence, to the chagrin of Arabists in the State Department, including his own close adviser, Dean Acheson. President Johnson strongly supported the Israelis in the Six Day War of 1967, vs. Eisenhower's opposition to the attempt by the British, French, and Israelis to seize the Suez Canal in 1956. Even the buffoonish draft dodger, Bill Clinton, told a Jewish audience that if Israel were threatened, he would grab a rifle and go into the trenched to defend that nation.

Unlike the fundamentalists and evangelicals in the U.S., who have been strongly influenced by dispensational eschatology, which holds that God's promises made to the Jewish nation in the Old Testament are still valid in the church age, Catholics, Lutherans, and Eastern Orthodox believers adhere to the position that the promises are invalid in the present age and that the Christian church has inherited the promises made to national Israel. This position is called covenantal, or replacement, theology.

Calvinism, like the other Christian groups, also holds to covenantal theology; however, Calvinist states, like Holland, England, and several American colonies, tolerated and respected Jews and their religion, even though, in England and the Northern colonies (except Pennsylvania), Catholicism and groups like the Quakers were suppressed by law during the 17th and 18th Centuries. Dispensationalism is, to a great extent, an offshoot of Calvinism, as its early leaders, like Scofield, Chafer, Ironside, etc., were former Presbyterians or Congregationalists. Like the Calvinists, the dispensationists supported a literal interpretation of the Bible under the principle of Scripture interpreting Scripture, as opposed to the primacy of prior church teachings, the method preferred by Catholics, Eastern Orthodox believers, and, to a lesser extent, Lutherans. They applied this principle to the area of eschatology and developed several positions, such as the premillenial return of Christ, a Rapture of believers taking place prior to the Second Coming, and the continuing validity of the divine covenant with the Jewish nation, that were distinct from the other branches of Christianity. Dispensationalism spread very widely beyond its Calvinist roots into Arminian Baptist groups, as well as charismatics and Pentecostalists. By 1960, dispensationalism became the majority camp among American evangelicals and fundamentalists.

The strong support for Israel among the evangelicals and fundamentalists impacted conservatism with the rise of the Christian Right. The second strand of conservative support arose in the neo-conservative movement, made up of former liberals who rejected the excesses of the Great Society, the antiwar movement, and the counterculture, and came in time to agree with some of the provisions of American conservatism. Many of its leaders, such as Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol, were of Jewish background, although their influence is evident in many non-Jewish politicians such as Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. These two elements of the conservative movement transformed American conservatism from at best lukewarm support for Israel to strong advocacy of its right to exist.

However, it appears the more recent history of American conservatism has not registered with the Christian community. Like it or not, many American Jews see Pat Robertson or John Hagee, pro-Zionist though they may be, and visualize the shades of Henry Ford or Charles Coughlin. I don't know that this problem can be overcome through persuasion. Unfortunately, Jewish opinion will change only if a future Democratic Administration seriously betrays Israel or does little or nothing to stop domestic anti-Semitism from American blacks or Middle Eastern immigrants.

95 posted on 02/14/2007 6:44:53 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Rome2000
American Jews hate the Christian GOP.

I have no problems with the American GOP. It's when the party starts becoming Christian first and American second that I start getting wary of it.

113 posted on 02/14/2007 7:24:04 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: Rome2000

"American Jews hate the Christian GOP"

Nonsense.


115 posted on 02/14/2007 7:29:00 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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