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1 posted on 02/13/2007 5:15:17 AM PST by Nicholas Conradin
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To: Tolik

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2 posted on 02/13/2007 5:16:21 AM PST by Nicholas Conradin (If you are not disquieted by "One nation under God," try "One nation under Allah.")
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So why exactly should we listen to the opinion of some Muslim guy's property again?

Maybe the Muslim guy whose property this woman is has a dish set, a couch or big screen TV that wants to give its opinion on the Muslim versus the rest of the world debate...

3 posted on 02/13/2007 5:22:47 AM PST by an amused spectator (The 1st Minnesota Regt died fighting a culture which embraced slavery. Think about it, Ellison.)
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OK, after reading her missive, I'm confused. What in D'Souza's body of thought on Islam was she addressing?


5 posted on 02/13/2007 5:33:00 AM PST by an amused spectator (The 1st Minnesota Regt died fighting a culture which embraced slavery. Think about it, Ellison.)
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I'd be curious to know if Hanson thinks this woman is making a valid point. Because I don't. I think she's missing D'Souza's point. Or taking what he's saying in the wrong way.


7 posted on 02/13/2007 5:34:27 AM PST by nuconvert ([there are bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: Nicholas Conradin; neverdem; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; SJackson; dennisw; ...


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9 posted on 02/13/2007 5:39:39 AM PST by Tolik
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"What threatens patriarchal Muslim communities are not the excesses of Western societies but its very norms."

We have a very long tough road to hoe.

11 posted on 02/13/2007 5:49:28 AM PST by BufordP ("Every morning I start my day with juice, toast, and a big bowl of Baby Crunch!" -- Michael J. Fox)
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If VDH is right about about D'Souza's book "The Enemy at Home" (I have not read it), then I'm with VDH and opposed to D'Souza. Which is disappointing... I've liked D'Souza's writing in the past.

jw


12 posted on 02/13/2007 6:13:28 AM PST by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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To: Nicholas Conradin; an amused spectator
[There is no way that Muslim women, in great numbers, can be granted similar opportunities without it eventually shaking their societies at their very foundations. Whatever else the Taliban is obtuse about, they understand perfectly the concept of the slippery slope — allow a girl child to be educated at all, and you never know where she will end up — perhaps like me, with only tangential ties to some of the core values of the conservative Islamic community I was raised in.]

I don't think she is property any longer. Actually; she makes great points;. . .

I am reading D'Souza's book; and while I have barely just begun; I did wonder why he did not acknowledge the issues here in a larger historical context; while offering that his concentration is on an aspect that flames the immediate.

(Or. . .to the point here; while concentrating on the Liberal assault i.e. - as per this woman's example, Brittany Spears - he does not include his acknowledgement that his 'focus' is on the more immediate impact of our Liberal culture - which, no doubt in my mind at least; could move even the worst Muslim slaggard to action. . .)

Perhaps at some point, Dinesh does go there. (?) Do not doubt that our 'culture' as exported/transported today; can be an extra dose of 'fuel' with match; and used to flame passions of hatred and justification for what historically; is embedded in Islamic tradition.

As for moving into the Modern era; embracing the finer of Western sensitivities; I think Jews - orthodox or even less so; can certainly provide a window in what life could be like; living in the 'now'. . . while adhereing to one's religious principles. Or any good Christian family for that matter. . .

And of course, that brings the average Muslim to another problem. . .but not one that cannot be remedied by even greater changes in their education.

(And one that we cannot so easily remedy as well; as we appear to be as well, on the 'slippery slope' of the worst of Liberalism; and are faced with the same problem as to how to save ourselves; without sacrifcing ourselves at the same time.)

13 posted on 02/13/2007 7:12:19 AM PST by cricket
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Is this entire article sarcasm? It must be.


15 posted on 02/13/2007 7:24:20 AM PST by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: Nicholas Conradin

Ouch!
She nails him.

VDH Bump


28 posted on 02/21/2007 4:10:39 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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