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If you think you are being cute, you are not! There are some of us on here that politics is more than coming on Free Republic and posting. We are also activist, campaign consultants, campaign analysts, and have volunteered more hours than the keyboard warriors can imagine. We have been chased by dogs, told off, threatened to be arrested all because we were passing out literature asking people to vote for Republicans.

Don't I know it. I'm just as involved, if not more so, in Republican Party politics than you or anyone else here is. I've been a political activist for years and have been involved in a number of campaigns among other things. I've spent more hours than I can count doing things for the Party and its candidates.

Rudy IS a threat to the Party. I won't tolerate it and will fight day and night to reduce the threat or eliminate it. The information about Rudy that a number of other Republican Party activists is gathering to widely disseminate will help in that respect.

As a lifelong Republican and a Conservative, the Republican Party and Conservatives are far from being on life support no matter who the nominee of this party is and anyone that thinks otherwise doesn't understand Republicans and how hard we fought over the years to gain the majority in the House and Senate along with the White House. We have two new Supreme Court justices that are going to make us proud because of our efforts over the years.

If you're a lifelong conservative Republican, then start acting like it. Stop promoting this liberal trojan horse candidate as if he is the savior of the nation and the Republican Party. He's not. He's the most divisive Republican presidential candidate I've ever seen and he will split the party, set conservatism back decades, and damage our country's core values immeasurably. And given his past there is no way I can believe his recent words that he's going to appoint good justices. It's just not believable unless you're drinking the koolaid.

In August 2000, parts of this forum as Mr. Mojo reminded us the other day in a link was so anti-Bush that they were threatening everything because he wasn't a 'true' conservative.

While I've had SEVERE disagreements with Bush's policies - mostly domestic spending, border security, immigration enforcement, etc. - I would burst with joy to have another 8 years of him compared to even 4 years of Giuliani. While Bush is not a "true conservative" at least he isn't a "true liberal" like Giuliani.

I don't believe that social issues belong at the federal level and never have. These are issues for my home, my church, my community, and my state on rare occasions. You don't legislate moral vaues from the right or left because you start down a slippery slope. You have to believe in moral values and pass them on to your children and those around you.

Should slavery have been decided at the state level? Precisely the same argument applies with abortion.

All of this posturing and threatening to quit the Republican Party or not vote if Rudy is nominated, will force Republicans to reach back out to other groups that have not wanted to vote with us because of the rigid social conservatives and the my way or no way philosophy.

"Social conservatives" didn't just wake up one morning and decide, "Hey! I think I'll start being a 'social conservative' today!" No. Instead, their values are based strongly upon their deeply rooted spiritual faith and convictions that defines their lives. You can't separate us from our convictions, nor should you try. Complaining about it is like complaining about gravity when you wish you could fly. You have to work with us and field a candidate acceptable to us - not one that is utterly offensive to us - if you want to get someone elected. Marginalizing, belittling, dividing, shunning - that won't work. You need our votes and we're not going to give them to someone as offensive to our convictions as Giuliani. Like gravity, that force is not going to go away no matter how much you curse it.

We have a problem with Iran -- huge problem. Does anyone remember Iran-Contra and how we were involved with Iran and that was after the fall of the Shah -- long time after. Does anyone remember how our Marines were killed in Lebanon? What was done after that? We withdrew from Lebanon if you don't know. We have made a lot of mistakes in this Country, but you do not know what lies ahead as a President when you make the decisions. Today we are facing a threat from Iran because for years we did nothing. Those are real threats to humanity along with the Islamic fundamentalist that want to kill us. That is why I support Rudy Giuliani for President because I believe he will stand up to the terrorists, not negotiate, and will put America First

Your assumption that Giuliani is the only Republican candidate who would stand steadfastly against Iran and Islamofascist terrorists is a false assumption. And that he would be the best at it is also quite debateable.

But what good is defending a nation that has rotted from within? What is left to defend if your nation doesn't resemble what it started as and has abandoned the core values that defined it and made it great? It's like barricading your house and fighting off all external threats while termites undermine your house's foundation and construction so much that just a strong wind would cause it to collapse. Rome was not conquered until it was rotted from within.

If you're absolutely convinced, as I am, that only a Republican candidate can protect our country from the external threats that face it, then you better get busy finding a candidate that will unite the party, not divide it, and get elected. If Giuliani is the GOP nominee (God forbid) then you will guarantee a Democrat win. It's that gravity thing - there are forces that you will be absolutely unable to change. And if you're supporting a liberal like Rudy, I intend to be a snare to your feet every step of the way.

If my support of Rudy causes me to be banned from Free Republic so be it, but I will continue to support him until the day I am told to leave this site. You or no one else on here is going to tell me what I believe and that I am not a Republican Conservative.

I don't want you banned. I just want the open campaigning for the most liberal major Republican presidential candidate in history to cease. It's one thing to report one various news items concerning Giuliani, but you and others openly admit that you're here campaigning for him and your posts and threads prove that. That's not the mission of this site and it interferes with this site's mission to promote conservatives and conservatism. Look at the keywords on the new posts page. There's a bunch of pro-Rudy campaign stuff there and nothing from Hunter or any other candidate. It is clear that you're using this site as a campaign platform for the most liberal candidate in the race. That's just plain wrong.

Should there be debate about Giuliani and his positions? Sure. That's what we do here. I welcome the Giuliani debates because it has spurred me to dig and dig and dig and find more stuff on Giuliani - pretty damning stuff - than I ever thought existed. The more I dig, the worse Giuliani looks. Instead of debating it, you want to spin it or call it spam or "hate".

I keep posting that chart for a reason. It demonstrates that Giuliani holds views (he even admitted to it in his own campaign documents in 1993) that are "anti-Republican". If that same chart was made for Romney, you'd see less anti-Republican views. McCain, even less. Nearly all of the remaining candidates would be almost nearly completely in line with the views of the majority of Republicans. THOSE are the candidates that you should be looking at and supporting. The ones that represent the actual views of the majority of the Republican Party as demonstrated by the party's defining document - the Republican Party Platform. If that is not the yardstick by which we measure our candidates, then we have no standards at all. But that is what you're arguing for. Abandoning conservatism, surrendering our convictions, jettisoning our traditional values, etc. all because of ONE stupid, liberal candidate. You are asking too much. We are the Party of Lincoln. We are the Party of Reagan. We can't throw that all away to become the Party of Rudy. But that is what you ask us to do.

I don't know how things work in your wing of the Republican Party. But where I'm at, as an elected party member, I had to swear an oath to support the party platform. My duties include promoting and helping candidates who support the platform. If you're not supporting the platform, then you can hardly claim that you are a Republican. You're working AGAINST the goals and mission of the party. If you get beat up over that, then you deserve what you get. If you don't like what the Republican Party stands for, go find a more acceptable party. Don't try to hijack the party to bend it to your own political goals. And that goes for conservatives if the party platform gets changed to become something offensive to us. If we can't change it back, then we should just leave the party. Well, actually, the party will have left us.