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To: EternalVigilance

Surely you understand my point. By appointing justices who are strict constructionists, by winning the war on terror, Rudy will make all babies infinitely safer.

If anyone is playing with the truth, it is you. Giuliani does not support partial birth abortion. He simply wants it to include the life-of-the-mother exception, which is the ethically correct position.


357 posted on 02/13/2007 6:32:37 PM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T
By appointing justices who are strict constructionists, by winning the war on terror, Rudy will make all babies infinitely safer.

Really MiaT, are you telling me you believe an eminently spinnable promise like Rudy's promises on judicial appointments? You believe that after he appointed more Democrats to positions in New York than Republicans?

What is a "strict constructionist" to Rudy might is likely to be a considerably different thing to you.

359 posted on 02/13/2007 6:40:35 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Making fascism fashionable in Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: Mia T

I find your rhetoric offensive, frankly.

Giuliani is a radical anti-constitutionalist, pro-abortion politician. Doesn't matter how much lipstick you put on him, he's still a liberal pig.


362 posted on 02/13/2007 7:09:01 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: Mia T
Giuliani does not support partial birth abortion.

A flat out lie. Why am I not surprised?

363 posted on 02/13/2007 7:10:17 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: Mia T
If anyone is playing with the truth, it is you. Giuliani does not support partial birth abortion. He simply wants it to include the life-of-the-mother exception, which is the ethically correct position.

In 2000, after the Republican-controlled Congress passed a Partial Birth Abortion Ban which included an exception for the life of the mother Giuliani still opposed it and defended Bill Clinton for vetoing it. He also opposed the New York State Partial Birth Abortion Ban. He is lying to you. He's supported Partial Birth Abortion all along:

TUCHMAN: Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports.
GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.
- CNN December 2, 1999


BLITZER: If you were in the Senate and [President Clinton] vetoed, once again, the [ban on the] so-called partial-birth abortion procedure, you would vote against sustaining that against the -- in favor of the veto in other words, you would support the president on that.
GIULIANI: Yes. I said then that I support him, so I have no reason to change my mind about it.
BLITZER: All right. So the bottom line is that on a lot of these very sensitive issues whether on guns, abortion, patients' bill of rights, taxes, you are more in line with the president and by association, with Mrs. Clinton, than you are against them.
- CNN February 6, 2000

[GEORGE] WILL: Is your support of partial birth abortion firm?
Mayor GIULIANI: All of my positions are firm. I have strong viewpoints. I express them. And I--I do not think that it makes sense to be changing your position....
ABC News February 6, 2000


MR. RUSSERT: A banning of late-term abortions, so-called partial-birth abortions--you're against that?

MAYOR GIULIANI: I'm against it in New York, because in New York...

MR. RUSSERT: Well, if you were a senator, would you vote with the president or against the president? [Note: President Clinton was in office in 2000]

MAYOR GIULIANI: I would vote to preserve the option for women. I think that choice is a very difficult one. It's a very, very--it's one in which people of conscious have very, very different opinions. I think the better thing for America to do is to leave that choice to the woman, because it affects her probably more than anyone else....

MR. RUSSERT: So you won't change your view on late-term abortion in order to get the Conservative Party endorsement?

MAYOR GIULIANI: It isn't just that. We shouldn't limit this to one issue. I'm generally not going to change my views
- NBC Meet the Press, February 6, 2000

***Note: the version of the Partial Birth Abortion Ban that Giuliani opposed in 2000, that he said he supported Bill Clinton in vetoing the Republican-controlled Congress's legislation, contained the provision for the life of the mother that Rudy is now trying to pretend is a prerequisite for his support of it.



365 posted on 02/13/2007 7:14:00 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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