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Culture Warrior (Don't write off Giuliani's appeal to social conservatives)
Wall Street Journal ^ | Februrary 13, 2007 | BRENDAN MINITER

Posted on 02/12/2007 9:43:49 PM PST by RWR8189

The book on Rudy Giuliani is that he is too liberal on social issues to win the Republican presidential nomination. Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council, put it succinctly: "I don't see anyone getting the Republican nomination who is not pro-life and a staunch defender of traditional marriage."

But Mr. Giuliani is running strong in Iowa and New Hampshire polls and leading most national surveys of Republicans. He's charming crowds of conservatives everywhere he goes. So it's worth wondering if Mr. Perkins is missing an undercurrent coursing through conservative politics.

Republicans have just experienced a bruising midterm election defeat. The president is suffering dismal approval ratings, and its erstwhile front-runner for the presidential nomination, Sen. John McCain, made his national reputation as a "maverick." The Giuliani rise evident now may be more than name recognition and residual support from his stalwart leadership following the Sept. 11 attacks. Mr. Giuliani's support may also arise from his having successfully moved an entrenched political culture in New York City, something national Republicans have not been able to do in Washington.

(Excerpt) Read more at opinionjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
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To: nopardons

A favorable article on why soial cons like Rudy in the WSJ!!!!And BRENDAN MINITER is a sharp guy and his right!!

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Ooooh Boy.....it's early in the morning and the RudyHaters are already up in arms !!!!


281 posted on 02/13/2007 5:57:19 AM PST by Blackirish
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To: EternalVigilance
You know, I have not been very vocal on threads about Rudy, with a few exceptions, but I am so sick and tired of some here that seem to think they get to label Rudy fans as "liberal".

I am far from liberal, and on 9/10/01, there is no way I would ever have backed a Rudy Presidency. But on 9/11/01 that all changed. I am still pro-life, yet we are now 6 years into a pro life Presidency, and guess what, abortion is still legal. I am still Pro traditional marriage, but guess what 6 years after President Bush took office, gay marriage is still illegal (except in a few states that the judicial powers overrode the will of the people.

On 9/11/01 I woke up to the realization that no matter what my personal, moral convictions were, they would make no difference what so ever if we let the Islamic terrorists win. Rudy, to me, exudes leadership. And that is what we need right now. We need someone who will tell a Saudi Prince to shove his $10,000,000. We need someone who will take the war on terror to the terrorists, and not just wait around for the next attack. We need someone with Rudy's world view. Because if we don't 10 years from now, we may be forced to praise allah, instead of Thanking God.

Please, continue to support your candidate, and if he receives the Republican nomination, I promise with all my heart, that I will support him. Until then please don't question my priorities, or my "liberal tendencies" (I don't have any), and accept that the Republican Party can truly be that Big Tent that Ronald Reagan spoke of.

282 posted on 02/13/2007 6:14:47 AM PST by codercpc (Giuliani - Rice 2008)
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To: tina07
he ran against her, dropped out because of prostate cancer..remember that?

Of course I remember. So what?

Whatever happened to "LIVES, fortunes, and sacred honor." The Democrats quite apparently understand the stakes in politics: life and death. You clearly don't.

283 posted on 02/13/2007 6:17:11 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Making fascism fashionable in Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: nopardons
How about YOU ask men who have had prostate cancer what the treatments are like and how weak they were during recovery?

Beats death every time. Mel Carnahan won anyway.

284 posted on 02/13/2007 6:18:46 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Making fascism fashionable in Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: nopardons
I haven't yet begun to fight;

That I believe. Pointless fighting is your forte.

let alone "run out of arguments".

That I don't believe, seeing as it's been dozens of posts cince you've cited an original fact.

OTOH, it appears that you ran out of any debate points long ago! Getting help from road kill, are you?

Reveling in your stupidity does nothing for your position.

285 posted on 02/13/2007 6:21:08 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Making fascism fashionable in Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: nopardons
[ And Rudy is for TAX CUTS and CUTTING DOWN THE SIZE OF GOVERNMENT. ]

Like Bill Clinton was.. whom he generally agrees with on many/most matters according to his own words..

What he did in NYC (fiscally) was because he had to.. to forestall bankruptcy.. Duuugh.. He cleaned up the streets more or less but to do that he expanded gov't.. He was good for NYC but NYC is the anus of America.. he merely WIPED IT.. He's a liberal.. I give him NO PARDON..

286 posted on 02/13/2007 7:07:28 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: babygene

"You'll probably go away if I just ignore you..."

Well .. good luck with that delusion!

And .. still you have not said who you ARE supporting .. your only reason for being here on FR is to denegrate anybody that's republican .. which means you're supporting Hillary.

And .. when I said before you must be supporting Hillary .. YOU DIDN'T DISAGREE .. SO I WAS RIGHT!! You guys must be TERRIFIED of Rudy.

Why don't you go back over to DU and spew your junk there.


287 posted on 02/13/2007 7:30:39 AM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: RWR8189
I voted for Bush 'for the judges', a common mantra here.

Bush has delivered. But a president Rudi is not going to appoint the justices to finish the job.

If he's elected, we can kiss our hopes for a conservative majority on the Court goodbye. He even praises Buzzi Ginsberg as a constructionist.
288 posted on 02/13/2007 7:55:45 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: oldenuff2no
I pray to the Lord you are right about Boxer retiring instead of losing to Ah-nuld in 2010.

While both Boxer and DiFi are leftists, Boxer has the added nuance of being an utterly depraved human being (given her public pronouncements and her political career). Zippo dignity there.

I do hope that Ah-nuld runs for the Senate, it would be his for the taking, and compared to having another leftist in that seat he would be a MASSIVE improvement....

289 posted on 02/13/2007 8:07:35 AM PST by Al Simmons (Rudy/Romney? Sounds like a winner to me.....)
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To: oldenuff2no
"Now for my most non P'C comment of the day. We are starting to sound like a bunch of victims standing around the corner liquor store arguing about who is blacker,,,,, Now I think that is funny....."

*ROTFLMAO*!!!!!

290 posted on 02/13/2007 8:11:23 AM PST by Al Simmons (Rudy/Romney? Sounds like a winner to me.....)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
"I don't care what good Giuliani's done (which, compared with his other negative attributes, doesn't amount to much). I'm sorry. His position on the 2nd Amendment and gun control is enough to write him off immediately."

Please read post #205

291 posted on 02/13/2007 8:15:30 AM PST by Al Simmons (Rudy/Romney? Sounds like a winner to me.....)
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To: codercpc
accept that the Republican Party can truly be that Big Tent that Ronald Reagan spoke of.

No, I won't. What you don't understand is that a nominee like Giuliani would kick the center poles out, leaving the entire edifice laying flat on the ground.

292 posted on 02/13/2007 8:45:54 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: nopardons

Now you're just being a blowhard.

Rudy is losing to Hillary already in that state. In fact, he's never been ahead of her.


293 posted on 02/13/2007 9:37:29 AM PST by Kryptonite (Keep Democrats Out of Power!)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Pointing out lies, IMO, IS a valid point. To twist the truth to get one's own point across is a game of MSM and the left. It's done daily to Bush and, now, to Rudy and anyone else that takes a tough stance in our fight w/terrorists.

The cowards demand we pick up our marbles, run home to daddy to dialog with the bullies - truly a weak mindset, ala PC.

How quickly 9/11 is forgotten by some not living in NY. Thank God Rudy hasn't forgotten nor will he roll over to placate a prince and his money or an 'Arafat terrorists'. Rudy made NYC safe with an 'in your face' style and that fears many - it certainly threw Arafat off his course and the king. They thought, surely, PC was alive and well in NY; but they didn't KNOW Rudy - their mistake.
294 posted on 02/13/2007 10:22:09 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Their candidates didn't do zilch to advance social conservatism while keeping a chair warm in Congress for years

Maybe you should take a look at Duncan Hunter's activities.

295 posted on 02/13/2007 10:32:32 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: presently no screen name; Al Simmons

We have candidates who are both social conservatives AND strong on national defense (a la Hunter and Tancredo).

Rudy Giuliani is strong on national defense, but he is NOT a social conservative.

If he gets the Republican nomination, I will vote for him; Hillary is not an option. But in the primaries? No. Hunter all the way.


296 posted on 02/13/2007 11:10:13 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: codercpc

Great post! Spot on!


297 posted on 02/13/2007 11:22:14 AM PST by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: Blackirish; Jameison; Sabramerican; BunnySlippers; tkathy; veronica; Roccus; Jake The Goose; ...

(((PING)))


298 posted on 02/13/2007 11:25:20 AM PST by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: EternalVigilance
My track record is to only support people who believe in the Constitution,

Where does the Constitution mention reparations and grifting?

299 posted on 02/13/2007 11:27:09 AM PST by PRND21
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To: My2Cents
bump!

STALINIST RISING?
HILLARY CLINTON ABUSE OF POWER
(WHERE IS THE UNREDACTED BARRETT REPORT ANYWAY?)

Check out what the wonderful conservative warrior, R. Emmett Tyrrell has to say.

I hope and pray that Tyrrell is right, that all factions will come to their senses and unite in the end, around Rudy [or, I would add, whichever candidate gets the nod].

The 'logic' of those refusing to vote for Rudy:

Rudy is a too 'liberal' 'New Yorker' so they will place their de facto vote for missus clinton, a Stalinist New Yorker, albeit fake, (fake New Yorker, not fake Stalinist), who

It does the conservative cause no good to become petulant and self-destructive.

Do conservatives really want

I find it hard to believe that those people aren't able to discern the difference between Giuliani and clinton. Frankly, if true, it is frightening.

I am advocating for Giuliani not because of his ideology. I am advocating for him because I believe he possesses the qualities that this country desperately needs in these perilous times... and because I believe he, unlike all the others, will win.

The other night, I heard a man who is not perfect, but a man of rare intelligence, humility, warmth, competence, strength and leadership.

We will be fortunate, indeed, and our babies, born and unborn, living and not yet imagined, will be infinitely safer, if he is our next president.


300 posted on 02/13/2007 11:28:44 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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