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To: AntiGuv
This is old news being dredged up for the 10th time. SINCE CLINTON, we have had "Carnivore" and one other program that starts with an "E"( the name escapes me right now and I'm too lazy to look it up for others), to do whatever it takes to find terrorists like the OK City bomber and David Koresh,( member them?) Janet Reno sought and got permission to cull out e-mail and IM traffic to find Christians that believe Jesus is coming back. Nothing has changed.

If this is so dangerous, why can't they catch these bastids that post "You Tube" video's of be-headings and blowing up our soldiers? If and when they pull one of us into court for posting on FR, then we can get excited. The problem with libs is they know they are going to be the first to fall under this law. THEY are the ones wanting to kill Bush and blow up churches.

I am a 30 year retiree from SBC and worked on the circuits AlGore wanted to send all fiber pipes to Virginia so they could dial into any and all phone traffic( that's DSL also) to listen in. Remember back when AlGore wanted us to all be digital(cell phones too) by such and such date? Fiber runs in rings and the equipment to monitor it can be here or Canada, Mexico, or anywhere. SBC had a plan at one time to send all traffic to Mexico to replace US workers that you might talk to for service. It never happened, but it was discussed. I think it ended up in India. Supposedly, you still have to get a warrant to tap communication, but they can listen to anybody anytime in the time it takes to punch in a LEN number in your central office. The truth is, someone in India could punch you up and read your e-mails or listen to you phone calls whenever they wanted. They might get into trouble if the contractor wanted to keep the contract with the phone company, but hey, who knows who is interested in what and for how much? I'm sure there are safeguards to set off alarms if someone is doing this illegally, but there is alway someone with a password and authority if it is needed.

The other name is "Echelon" or some such spelling. It takes me awhile, but it's all still there.

42 posted on 02/12/2007 10:09:06 PM PST by chuckles
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To: chuckles

You're welcome to debate the politics of this all you want.

AT this moment, it is NOT my "politics" at stake, but my business, and mandates to countless thousands of unprepared and non-compliant businesses, universities, ISP's, and so on, all over the nation.


46 posted on 02/12/2007 10:13:02 PM PST by The Watcher
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To: chuckles

I use my neighbors WI-fi and there are free Wi-fi coffee shops all over this area. It is no problem to be completely anonymous unless "they" actually get their hands physically on your computer.


49 posted on 02/12/2007 10:14:47 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: chuckles

Yep, Echelon is what you're referring to, FWIW.


54 posted on 02/12/2007 10:20:19 PM PST by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: chuckles
and one other program that starts with an "E"( the name escapes me right now and I'm too lazy to look it up for others),

ECHLON

78 posted on 02/13/2007 3:34:36 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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