Posted on 02/12/2007 4:36:44 PM PST by darrylsharratt
They were being quietly dismissive...treated him like a child that was performing for the adults...I was so ashamed for them.
Rep. Pence did very well, he drafted an amendment like Sen. Gregg's in the Senate.
They want it spelled out that they House and/or Senate will NOT ever pull the funding out from under the troops...like has happened in Vietnam and Somalia.
Unfortunately...the dems in the HOUSE don't have to pay any attention to the likes of Sam Johnson...
The Senate DOES need to have the GOP RINOS helping the Dems..and unfortunately...there are way too many GOP Senators that are going with the Dems....sigh
Thanks for your ping list, Kathy!
Don't you know it...
I don't know what happened to this country....I don't know when our country lost their fighting spirit...their desire to set goals..and not let anything get in the way of accomplishing them.
The majority of Congress is willing to do one of 2 things...withdraw the troops now in defeat...or leave them there without help from more troops...BUT, at a later date..pull the funding for them...which would still be a defeat.
You add the farce that is the Congress to the farce that is this Haditha case....and I have to say I agree with you, RR...these are hard times for good men. (and women)
Difficult times have a way of shedding light upon the virtuous. We thank your son and your family.
Hey your in Pa.I am in Bucks County.Our Prayers will be stronger Father for your Son and all involved.
Please tell your fine son that my prayers in the name of Jesus are for him and your fine family.
May the Father work things out for His good.
Bless you Sir.
-Kristin
President Bush continues to turn his back on those American who are brave and courageous and patriotic. Marines, Border Patrol in jail and terrorists and illegals free.
Here are some points on our rules of engagement.....
Posted by TomasUSMC to SandRat
On News/Activism 02/12/2007 2:12:54 AM EST · 15 of 16
From a Marine in Anbar: A lot of us feel like we have our hands tied behind our back, says Cpl. Peter Mattice, of Bravo Company, 1st Battalion, 24th Marine Regiment. In Fallujah, [insurgents] know our [rules of engagement] - they know when to stop, just before we engage.
From a unnamed Soldier: Im hesitant to do the job I was trained for. I dont want to return fire because I might be on CNN the next day. The hardest thing for a soldier to do, despite all his training, is to return fire when he is fired upon.
From an NCO in Kirkuk: You make the wrong move and kill civilians though, you not only have to live with the mistake, but you will be ridiculed unmercifully by the media/big army. You will be buried in proceedings and paperwork the remainder of your deployment, and you will not be the same. Your buddies will be affected as well. Cpl. X will see how bad it could be to make the wrong decision, and will hesitate just a hair too long when there is a real threat
and more men will die. The fear of failure leads to hesitation, and hesitation in war is a lesser form of suicide.
From an NCO in Anbar: So yes, from the grunts on the field perspective
the ROE is vague and limiting. And every time violations of the ROE came up it caused our soldiers and marines to question their actions and sometimes cause casualties. If you look up the case of the [unit redacted] Soldier from the [location redacted] region you will see an excellent example. The [unit redacted] Soldiers started pulling back after that, and even though he eventually had the charges dropped it caused problems throughout the entire Battalion.
And without going into specifics if you look at [date redacted] incident when we lost two Marine pilots and an Army Lt north of [location redacted] you will see another example of how fear of ROE kept us from hitting an enemy until after he had fired at us (and led to a downed helo and an IEDed hummer). And it was almost much worse. We dropped two 500 lb bombs a little later and stopped the insurgents from a planned attack that might have led to even more deaths. And we almost didnt do that because of ROE.
The problem is that these men and women are expected to perform warfighting duties with a police officers ROE. Escalation of force, indeed. In war, there is no escalation of force. There is a complete destruction of those opposing the accomplishment of the assigned mission, in this case, an Iraq free of terrorists and murderers. It is not possible to fight a war without hurting peoples feelings. The first rule of war is that people die; sad but true. And as long as our troops are stuck with these ROE, violations of which are exploited by the enemy, they will contiune to die. We need to put some of these politicians in uniform and make them walk patrols. Wanna bet things would change then?
Comment by Mike December 6, 2006 @ 2:34 am
Well what do you know. There really are chickenhawks and theyre all in the Pentagon. What a surprise.
Heres a tip. If you cannot give your soldiers a true combat ROE then yes, by all means, pull them out. They dont belong there and it is immoral to put them in harms way.
It may not be Vietnam II but it sure is starting to look like Beirut redux.
Comment by wlpeak December 6, 2006 @ 8:20 am
As discussed in Newsweeks expose on Marine Captain Rob Secher, Captain Secher wrote home that any time an American fires a weapon there has to be an investigation into why there was an escalation of force.
In order to ensure that the additional combat troops being deployed to Iraq can achieve their objectives, we must change the current restrictive rules of engagement (ROEs) under which they are forced to operate. The current ROEs for Baghdad including Sadr City, home of the Mahdi Army have seven incremental steps that must be satisfied before our troops can take the gloves off and engage the enemy with appropriate violence of action.
You must feel a direct threat to you or your team.
You must clearly see a threat.
That threat must be identified.
The team leader must concur that there is an identified threat.
The team leader must feel that the situation is one of life or death.
There must be minimal or no collateral risk.
Only then can the team leader clear the engagement.
.............
This is how you lose a war.
I agree, Pence did well.
It's obvious the dems want to hurt Bush, and just as obvious that they don't care what that means to the country, our troops, or the world.
I can't begin to articulate my disgust for the democrats, they are all little Murtha's in my eyes.
Welcome to Free Republic. You'll find a lot of friends here. Your son's service is very much appreciated. Your son deserves justice and a fair hearing. In the sick world we live in it is also conceivable that he is being falsely accused. I join you in cursing those who would prematurely convict such fine young men and women after asking the utmost from them.
Your son is my hero. God Bless you all. He and others like him are the best of the best. Our prayers are with you and the family.
It is an honor to even know you via email status.
Thank you for telling us about your son. He deserves my thanks and my prayers. Please pass along the thanks and let him know I'll be working on the praying.
God Bless you and your family
Sending love, eternal gratitude and prayers.
The Marines will prevail.
They are innocent.
Thank you for the ping.
Wiping tears.
Amen!
that's a little m, smooth.
Ping, Sam.
I know you won't want to miss this.
Alan Colmes just apologized!!!!!!!
Said he misspoke regarding the Haditha Marines!
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