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Rudy Giuliani Has Got What You Need
411 ^ | 2/11/07

Posted on 02/11/2007 12:44:55 PM PST by areafiftyone

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To: Zack Nguyen
Rudy got rid of porn theatres in Times Square.

His crack down on crime also got rid of the prostitutes there as well.

His new ADOPTION polices was responsible for many more adoptions and fewer abortions.

But none of that apparently matters to you, I guess.

121 posted on 02/11/2007 2:09:21 PM PST by nopardons
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To: areafiftyone
I don't Hate Rudy.
He will not win the base of the Republican party.

I read the article and it reads like Liberal endorsement of any Liberal candidate.

Whereas they attempt to tell you how to think and what you really need by giving the appearance of the logical conclusion which if you were smart you would surely agree .

Why there is even a pyramid Wow!

I'm glad Rudy is good on crime and I'm glad he did good on taxes but his moral character and the trust of his desire to uphold the Constitution of the United States is a problem with many!

There is way to much time to just expect us to jump on board with all our compromises!

Republican party will make a BIG mistake if it decides to just take Conservative and Evangelicals for granted!
This is what they would be doing if they nominate Rudy.

Sorry for yelling but this is going to be a long election.

122 posted on 02/11/2007 2:10:22 PM PST by right way right (bummer. It's almost as bad as being born in a manger. You gotta start somewhere.( www.gohunter08.com)
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To: PatrickF4
'Just because abortion may never be illegal in my lifetime is no reason to stop fighting it. On the contrary, if we stop fighting it, it shows our cowardice in the face of legalized murder, and will make it all the more difficult to ever stop it..."
Abort it. More serious things, like the survival of the country, are at stake.
123 posted on 02/11/2007 2:10:52 PM PST by GSlob
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
When the leaders of Canada, Mexico, and the United States met in Texas recently they underscored the deep ties and shared principles of the three countries.

Wow, sounds scary.

124 posted on 02/11/2007 2:13:12 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: beltfed308
And there have been PLENTY of anti-Rudy VANITIES posted to FR, in the NEWS section of FR, not to mention anti-Rudy stuff from blogs and blog sites! You've been on them and never, NOT ONCE, complained about those threads.
125 posted on 02/11/2007 2:13:36 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Which you people SPAM, add ridiculous words to, at the top of the thread, and try to ignite flame wars on.

WAH, WAH.

You just don't like it when someone parries your lies and myths.

To paraphrase an old Democrat: "I don't give them hell, I tell them the truth and they think it's hell."

126 posted on 02/11/2007 2:14:31 PM PST by metalurgist ("For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul?" No to Rudy)
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To: ClarenceThomasfan
The REAL Rudy Record

From the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research:

"Even with the tax cuts of the last several years, New York remains by far the most heavily taxed big city in the country."

TAXES: Giuliani did cut the marginal city income tax rates, reducing taxes by some $2.0-billion from 1996-2001, but those cuts only offset the $1.8-billion increase in city income tax rates put in place by Mayor Dinkins a few years earlier. In the end, income taxes were actually cut by a modest $200-million. Freezing the 12.5% surcharge on high wage earners was good, but Giuliani didn't attempt to abolish that surcharge. Nor did Giuliani attempt to make serious permanent changes to the city income tax code. The primary reason Rudy and the City Council agreed to cut taxes, was to make NYCity more appealing to new businesses thinking about locating/relocating to the Big Apple. A smart move, however, Rudy left office with NYCity the highest taxed big city in America, with some of the highest income taxes, property taxes and utility rates in the entire nation.

GOVT SPENDING: From 1997 to 2001, spending under Giuliani went up 32%. More then double the rate of inflation. Rudy left NYCity with a $2.0 billion deficit and a $42-billion debt. Second largest debt after the federal government. Giuliani also added 15,000 new teachers to the city employment rolls. Increasing the membership of two major liberal organizations, the National Education Association (NEA) and the American Federation of Teachers (AFT).

"The scope of government was not reduced at all. The mayor abandoned his most visible initiative in this sphere—the proposed sale of the city hospital system—after a struggle with the unions and defeats in the courts. He did cut costs in social services; even before the new federal welfare reforms took effect in 1997, the city had begun to significantly reduce caseloads. But money saved on social services has only helped to subsidize big increases in other categories. Today the array of social services sponsored and partially funded by the city—from day care to virtually guaranteed housing—is as wide as ever.

"In the final analysis, Mayor Giuliani sought to make the city deliver services more efficiently—not to make the city deliver fewer services. Gains in efficiency were offset, however, by a spike in the costs of outsourced contracts (see point 2 below). Thus, in two areas where inroads might have been made, the city instead failed to reduce spending."

"1. Personnel Increases. In 1995–96, the city entered into a series of collective bargaining agreements with its public-employee unions. In addition to granting pay increases that ended up roughly equaling inflation, the city promised not to lay off any workers for the life of the contracts. These agreements were expected to add $2.2 billion to the budget by fiscal 2001. But that estimate didn’t reckon with renewed growth in the number of city employees. After dipping in Giuliani’s first two years, the full-time headcount rose from 235,069, in June 1996 to over 253,000 by November 2000. Thanks largely to this growth in the workforce, the total increase in personnel service costs since 1995 has been $4 billion.

2. "Outsourced Services. The failure to shrink the scope of city government made it all the more imperative that Mayor Giuliani vastly increase its efficiency. In the attempt to increase productivity, the mayor farmed out some city services to private contractors. But as the number of outsourced contracts doubled under Giuliani, contractual expenses also nearly doubled—from $3 billion to $5.8 billion. While it may be argued that the city saved money by outsourcing these services, the net savings turned out to be marginal at best. In practice, outsourcing proved to be more of a bargaining chip in negotiations with unions than a serious means of pruning expenses."

Hard evidence that Rudy Giuliani was NO fiscal conservative. Another run-of-the-mill NYCity liberal.

127 posted on 02/11/2007 2:14:46 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't vote for liberals.)
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To: right way right

It will be Rudy vs. Hillary in 2008 if history is any indication. Bush and Gore were the frontrunners two years before the election.

And speaking as an Evangelical I support Rudy wholehartedly. (And Pat Robertson likes him too)

From October 1998
27 October 1998 Bush, Gore early frontrunners
In a CNN/USAToday/Gallup poll released today, Al Gore and George W. Bush were the overwhelming choices for the Democratic and Republican nominations for the presidency. The poll also showed that if the election were held today, Bush would defeat Gore 57-39 among all voters. The results:
Democrats

Al Gore 41%
Bill Bradley 15%
Dick Gephardt 14%
Jesse Jackson 11%
Bob Kerrey 4%
John Kerry 4%
Paul Wellstone 1%
Republicans

George W. Bush 39%
Elizabeth Dole 17%
Dan Quayle 12%
Steve Forbes 7%
Lamar Alexander 4%
John Ashcroft 4%
Newt Gingrich 4%
John Kasich 4%


128 posted on 02/11/2007 2:15:35 PM PST by ClarenceThomasfan (In 2008 Republicans will unite around Guiliani, McCain or Romney and whoop Hillary in a Landslide!!)
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To: melancholy

I never said it was not an acomplishment. If true. I have seen posts to the contrary. Again so what? The dims have been saying for years the same about clintoon. And the price of tea in china is what?


129 posted on 02/11/2007 2:15:52 PM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: Salgak
Remember, the President runs a TEAM.

And if he picks his team like he did in NYC with his appointments I can see Sarah Brady as head of ATF?

130 posted on 02/11/2007 2:19:16 PM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: nopardons

Who's complaining?


131 posted on 02/11/2007 2:20:20 PM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: ClarenceThomasfan

Well, I disagree with both you and Pat Robertson.


132 posted on 02/11/2007 2:23:17 PM PST by right way right (bummer. It's almost as bad as being born in a manger. You gotta start somewhere.( www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Salgak
Remember, the President runs a TEAM. It's the overall approach that matters

When you pick team members like Bernie Kerik, you show that you are wanting in the judgement department.

133 posted on 02/11/2007 2:25:10 PM PST by metalurgist ("For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul?" No to Rudy)
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To: areafiftyone
rudy giuliani Has Got What You Need...

IF you're a gun and 2nd Amendment-hating, abortion-supporting, illegal-loving liberal demonRAT or RINO.

134 posted on 02/11/2007 2:28:35 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: kinoxi
A class in reading comprehension 101 would do you a world of good. Go back and read, actually READ my post.
135 posted on 02/11/2007 2:31:42 PM PST by nopardons
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To: MetalHeadConservative35
Meatheadconservative35: "im voting for rudy"

Sorry, but if you are, in fact, going to vote for RINO-rudy, then I believe you are HEAVY on the "meathead", and LIGHT on the "conservative".

136 posted on 02/11/2007 2:31:48 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: areafiftyone
Let me explain it this way; You have what's called Maslow's Hierarchy of Human Needs, which is a theory in psychology that Abraham Maslow proposed in 1943 that states as humans meet 'basic needs', they seek to satisfy successively 'higher needs' that occupy a set hierarchy.

Reminds me of the folks around here who claim we shouldn't worry about huge spending increases because the focus is on fighting terror. As though the president is totally incapable of dealing with more than one subject at a given time.

That kind of "logic" has never made any sense to me. There's no reason we can't fight terror, appoint strict constructionist judges, and protect gun rights at the same time.

137 posted on 02/11/2007 2:32:01 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: kinoxi

Yes, thank YOU for admitting what you and your side does. ;^)


138 posted on 02/11/2007 2:32:53 PM PST by nopardons
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To: airborne

Hi -

I haven't been coming on, because as a Rudy supporter, it's disheartening to see the same spam constantly a few people ...to the point of calling posters liars, by the anti Rudy coalition. I think Jim R has made it clear on where he stands with Rudy Giuliani - and I appreciate that he is, while not supportive of Rudy, defintely allowing FR to be a place to disuss Rudy's candidacy.

So that's my perspective.


139 posted on 02/11/2007 2:34:10 PM PST by merry10
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To: nopardons
You promote a cross dressing, gun grabbing liberal. I try to be nice to you, this is what I get. Fine.

;) Rudy/Scum '08
140 posted on 02/11/2007 2:35:15 PM PST by kinoxi
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