An experiment that hints we are wrong on climate change

The Times ^ | 2/11/07 | Nigel Calder

[centurion316]

You are hereby notified of an official bust by the double-posting police - xcamel as the arresting officer.

You will go to your corner and sit there until you promise to be a good boy. I missed the original post, so I thank you for your serious offense. I also thank xcamel, there's a very nice picture over there at the original post.

[Tarpon]

To the best of our knowledge the sun is the only star that can grow vegetables.

[oh8eleven]

When I was a kid, we got "The Weekly Reader" in school
I remember the WR and the IGY too. (Wow, are we old   :>)

[EQAndyBuzz]

"I've got a computer model that shows conclusively that the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders will come to my place next Saturday for a weekend of cheap meaningless sex."

That's funny because my model showed a 10% chance of them showing up at my place. Well, now I know what happened to the other 90%.

[Monkey Face]

"(Wow, are we old :>)"

LOL!

Speak for yourself! The photos on my homepage are artistically done in B&W for more impact! :o]

[Valin]

The Cooling World
Newsweek, April 28, 1975

http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

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Here is the text of Newsweek’s 1975 story on the trend toward global cooling. It may look foolish today, but in fact world temperatures had been falling since about 1940. It was around 1979 that they reversed direction and resumed the general rise that had begun in the 1880s, bringing us today back to around 1940 levels. A PDF of the original is available here.

A fine short history of warming and cooling scares has recently been produced. It is available here. — D.D.



There are ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production – with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth. The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only 10 years from now. The regions destined to feel its impact are the great wheat-producing lands of Canada and the U.S.S.R. in the North, along with a number of marginally self-sufficient tropical areas – parts of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indochina and Indonesia – where the growing season is dependent upon the rains brought by the monsoon.

The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it. In England, farmers have seen their growing season decline by about two weeks since 1950, with a resultant overall loss in grain production estimated at up to 100,000 tons annually. During the same time, the average temperature around the equator has risen by a fraction of a degree – a fraction that in some areas can mean drought and desolation. Last April, in the most devastating outbreak of tornadoes ever recorded, 148 twisters killed more than 300 people and caused half a billion dollars’ worth of damage in 13 U.S. states.
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[Monkey Face]

Thanks! I'm assuming that "weather changes" also include the hurricanes in the southeast. I have a sister in FL and she said when the worst of the hurricanes hit and re-hit FL (after Katrina hit NO) the orchard farmers left the fruit on the ground to rot so they could claim damages for it, instead of gathering it up and using it for juice or other products that don't require fresh fruit.

If the weather changes so drastically, this Land Of Plenty could be forced to re-think farming practices.

Since the world is and always has been cyclical, I don't foresee Global Warming as a threat...most likely, Global Cooling will replace it.

[oh8eleven]

I stand corrected. I hope you have a wonderful 29th birthday this year!

[Monkey Face]

LOL!

Thanks! But it will be 39th! I figure if Jack Benny can do it, I can, too!

[navyguy]

ping for later

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

Who wrote the headline and who is he including in "we?"

Got a mouse in your pocket, Kemosabe?

[Robert A Cook PE]

We REALLY need a "global warming" topic bar at the top of the site.

There's too many of these creeping by that aren't getting noticed, but need to be archived.

[Bob Mc]

"Does anyone besides me see the power of stupid people (MSM) in large groups? "

Remember your history? Remember how the leading experts all claimed the world was flat? That the earth was the center of the universe? That Y2K was going to doom us all?

Nothing has changed. GW is just the latest idiotic fad with today's jet set, nothing more.

[Vision Thing]

Yup, the global-warming alarmists are trying to Nifong the theory that the Sun affects climate change.

[Robert A Cook PE]

From the other thread, this graph (if properly posted!) shows that global warming HAS STOPPED!

The temperature rose (.8 degrees C, about 1 degree F) up to 1998. Then "global warming" has stopped: The temperature SINCE 1998 has NOT increased, but instead has remained "steady".

ALL of the hype is based on PROJECTED "temperatures per decade" and CONTINUED warming trends (if not flat-out increased "trends" when the actual temperatures show that global warming HAPPENED, (the earth went up by one degree) ... and then simply STOPPED.

(I could make the equal projection that the latest years indicate we are entering the precipitous FALL into the next 6 centuries of the coming Ice Age, but I'll let the Muslims find out they have conquered a European glacier by themselves....

Would be interested in seeing the temperature curve from those "American weather satellites" if anybody knows where it is.



http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/MSU/msusci.html

lower tropospheric temps chart

This chart shows the monthly temperature changes for the lower troposphere - Earth's atmosphere from the surface to 8 km, or 5 miles up. The temperature in this region is more strongly influenced by oceanic activity, particularly the "El Niño" and "La Niña" phenomena, which originate as changes in oceanic and atmospheric circulations in the tropical Pacific Ocean. The overall trend in the tropospheric data is now +0.08 deg. C/decade (through 2004). Click on the charts to get the numerical data.

[okie01]

how can you say there is a consensus on this issue when at least 10% of the scientist disagree, and I say: not to mention another suspected considerable number who are afraid to disagree!

Moreover -- and more importantly -- the observable facts and basic common sense agree with the 10%.

1. The sun is quite obviously the most important single factor in regulating earth's climate.

2. Past warming cycles have been observed and proven to be caused by the sun's variance -- not by SUVs.

Given those two axiomatic truths how can so-called "global warming" be caused by man and be anything other than perfectly normal!?

[prjohnsonjr]

How did that place ever get named Greenland?

[oh8eleven]

I knew we were the same age.

[MtnClimber]

Hmmmm...now that is a really inconvenient truth.

[Natural Law]

The real test is if people are willing to put their own money where their mouths are. Instead of tax dollars why don't they develop a business plan and see if they can use the 90% number to raise some venture capital. Better yet, why don't they see if they can get global warming insurance (check the ads for the companies offering astroid insurance).