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To: Froufrou

If this were a vaccine for any other disease, I bet 90% of you wouldn't care. This is silly prudery masquerading as genuine concern.


18 posted on 02/09/2007 12:16:22 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Alter Kaker

I'm certainly not a prude, my contention is that the government is forcing a vaccine on everyone because many women do not go to a doctor every year. My sister and two friends had this and it was caught by a routine pap smear. But now the government is mandating this on all because of a few. There approx 150,000,000 women in this country and 4,000 deaths a year. This vaccination mandate is government overkill, again.


20 posted on 02/09/2007 12:22:29 PM PST by WV Mountain Mama (I'm shocked the gov't hasn't found an average consumption equation to tax breast milk.)
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To: Alter Kaker; Froufrou
This is silly prudery masquerading as genuine concern.

No, it's called caution. Caution against having out children injected solely because the government said "It's okay", when all the evidence has yet to even be gathered.

Risk your children if you wish, be don't lecture other people about their personal motivations. How "it's all about sex" or how CAUTION somehow makes them a prude, an idiot, or "pro-cancer".

The ridiculous rationalizations you people will go through in order to belittle other people over a decision that is THEIR right to make is absolutely disgusting.

Then again, some people must belittle others in order to compensate for their own feelings of inadequacy.

23 posted on 02/09/2007 12:35:35 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am not an administrative, public, corporate or legal 'person'.....and neither are my children!)
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To: Alter Kaker
This is silly prudery masquerading as genuine concern.

Don't you think the individual should be able to decide how to remain healthy, rather than have the government mandate a certain course of action?

Living a lifestyle that would have been considered perfectly normal fifty years ago, in which one limits one's sexual partners to a reletive few, or even one, is an effective strategy for preventing infection with this disease. Shouldn't an individual have the right to choose that approach for themselves, rather than having the latest technological marvel miracle cure thrust upon them by the government?

24 posted on 02/09/2007 12:35:54 PM PST by bondjamesbond (Have you ever noticed that whatever the problem, the government's solution is always "more taxes"?)
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To: Alter Kaker
If this were a vaccine for any other disease, I bet 90% of you wouldn't care. This is silly prudery masquerading as genuine concern.

And you're still wrong. This has never been tested on the targeted age group. I have the links to the studies if you want them. Oh heck, just go here.

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25 posted on 02/09/2007 12:36:08 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Alter Kaker
The American College of Pediatricians also oppose this vaccine as mandatory:

From their position paper:

The average length of follow up in the 4 studies conducted by Merck ranged from 2 to 4 years. Blood antibody levels against HPV in the vaccine group peaked at 7 months after immunization, declined through the 2nd year, and stabilized at 36 months, remaining at levels above pre-immunization. For the girls aged 9 to15 years immunized with Gardasil, blood antibody levels showed a good response and “the efficacy of Gardasil in 9 to 15 year old girls is inferred.”3 The number of 9 year old girls vaccinated in all trials has been reported to be 250. Also, according to the Merck published report on Gardasil, the “duration of immunity following a complete schedule of immunization with Gardasil has not been established.”4 .

Because the average time between initial HPV infection and death from cervical cancer is 20 years, definitive conclusions about HPV vaccine efficacy will take years to establish. Future research should also address the use of the vaccine in males.


http://www.acpeds.org/?CONTEXT=art&cat=12&art=95&BISKIT=3349461552


And, a vaccine safety group is finding that adverse effects are being found in young girls administered this vaccine:

VIENNA, Va., Feb. 1 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The National Vaccine
Information Center (NVIC), the nation's leading vaccine safety and informed
consent advocacy organization, is urging state legislatures to investigate
the safety and cost of mandating Merck's HPV vaccine (GARDASIL) for all
pre- adolescent girls before introducing legislation amending state vaccine
laws. In an analysis of reports made to the federal Vaccine Adverse Event
Reporting System (VAERS) since the CDC's July 2006 universal use
recommendation for all young girls, NVIC found reports of loss of
consciousness, seizures, joint pain and Guillain-Barre Syndrome.

"GARDASIL safety appears to have been studied in fewer than 2,000 girls
aged 9 to 15 years pre-licensure clinical trials and it is unclear how long
they were followed up"

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/02-01-2007/0004518488&EDATE

I am not going to subject my 9 year old to a vaccine where the duration of immunity has not been established , the efficacy for 9 year olds has only been inferred, and where clinical trials on preadolescents has been limited. Neurological side effects are not something to be taken lightly. If you call that being prudish, so be it.
28 posted on 02/09/2007 12:55:31 PM PST by keepitreal
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To: Alter Kaker
If this were a vaccine for any other disease, I bet 90% of you wouldn't care. This is silly prudery masquerading as genuine concern.

I continue to be amazed at the fact that so many people like youself that come to a conservative site like Free Republic don't have a clue about the issue here.

Besides the theft of the rights and freedoms of the parents amd the children involved Perry has way overstepped his place. The executive in Texas is very weak, if you look at Perry's past so-called executive orders they are mostly piggybacking off of legislation passed by the legislature or they are puffy things recognizing people or whatnot. In fact, Perry has made executive orders in the past regarding vaccinations but they have been after the legislture passed specific laws and they refer to those laws.

When the legislature passes laws there is a process that must be followed then once the law is passed by the Texs legislature then the Governor signs it. In the case of this vaccination Perry has passed a law without using that process. His executive order is questionable but what is not in question is that he has no right to mandate that taxpayer money be spent for the order. In fact, he's required to account for any money he spends.

Rick Perry is not a prince or king. He may think he can do whatever he wants when it comes to the rights of Texan parents and Texas children but he is in for a rude awakening.

29 posted on 02/09/2007 12:56:50 PM PST by isthisnickcool (I own your children! ---RICK PERRY)
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To: Alter Kaker

Wrong. Other vaccines are for diseases that are far, far more easily spread than HPV. Measles, TB, even Hepatitis can be spread in more than one way. HPV is sexually transmitted. Period. I don't see how my decision on how to raise my kids to see how much safer (emotionally and physically) abstinence is can be considered prudish. There is more to sex than just the physical aspects of it. I know better than anyone else in government what my daughters should be taught in regards to sex. I don't give a crap what anyone else says.

If it were just the Christian aspect of things, then maybe, yes, I could understand how it may seem prudish. But I taught my teen daughter abstinence for many, many other reasons than that. I know what her background is, I know what her situation is, and it is, frankly, up to me to decide how to raise her. If it were TB or Measles, or even Chicken Pox, (which I wasn't thrilled about either), then I could understand. You can't make a choice to avoid those diseases, they are easily spread through the air. This particular disease (HPV) can be avoided in other ways than just a vaccine.


32 posted on 02/09/2007 1:01:22 PM PST by USMCWife6869
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To: Alter Kaker

Not really.

I'm a young woman who is choosing not to get this vaccine. There are so many unknowns. I've already had one seizure that's affected my life. This has given girls and at least one boy seizures, and possibly two cases of Guillain-Barre Syndrome. If someone said I had to take this, with no opt-out, when I was in high school? I would have dropped out, gotten a job, and paid to finish my education privately. I don't want the government making me put things into my body that aren't safe.

If they're going to force a vaccine on kids, why not the flu vaccine? The flu kills about 36,000 Americans each year and hospitalizes about 200,000, yet we're supposed to force kids to take a vaccine that's been untested on their age group, untested long term on ANY age group (so there's no telling how long the vaccine lasts, how it will affect people 10 years later, etc.), to something that MIGHT prevent something that's only diagnosed in about 12,800 women each year, and can be prevented with routine pap smears? I'm worried for the girls just a little younger than I am that are going to be lab rats for this company that will make BILLIONS of dollars off of this. I have younger cousins in danger. My flowergirl is going to be old enough soon.

I'm getting married in June to a man who used to be sexually active. I know most girls my age have had sex and yes, a lot of them probably have HPV. I'm concerned about cervical cancer. But I'm even more concerned about this vaccine. It hasn't been deemed safe. It's criminal to make girls take a shot without knowing what it will do to them without it being a matter of public safety. If this was truly about public safety, they'd make boys take it too, since they spread it, and they can be hurt from this. It's not though.

We know Perry got 6k from Merck. I wonder if they're bribing other politicians with campaign contributions? I can't think of any other reason to push this one, unless the liberals have started praising Perry and urging their own politicians.


33 posted on 02/09/2007 1:03:28 PM PST by Nevernow (No one has the right to choose to do what is wrong.)
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To: Alter Kaker
If this were a vaccine for any other disease, I bet 90% of you wouldn't care. This is silly prudery masquerading as genuine concern.

Why else would "Children of God for Life" be opposing life-saving vaccines?
59 posted on 02/09/2007 2:19:41 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Alter Kaker; Froufrou
If this were a vaccine for any other disease, I bet 90% of you wouldn't care.

Not true at all. There's lots about this issue to care about. I care about payoffs to politicians by companies to have them force me to buy the company's product.

I care about any vaccine that isn't necessary and has been tested so little.

I care about being the guinea pig for any vaccine that so little known about and knowledge of the long term consequences is simply nonexistent.

If politicians are truly so worried about cervical cancer, the most effective way to combat it would be by making Pap Smears mandatory for all women. That way they'd catch cervical cancer no matter what its cause.

My children are not going to be any body's guinea pigs or cash cows.

96 posted on 02/09/2007 3:49:24 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Alter Kaker

You should go on some of the threads about vaccines and autism.

Or how about freepers that think too many kids are on ritalin.

Many freepers are concerned about the safety of drugs and vaccines on our children, and it has nothing to do with sex.


125 posted on 02/09/2007 5:00:02 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: Alter Kaker

Every vaccine is a BIG concern. Remember that.


152 posted on 02/09/2007 5:57:14 PM PST by the lastbestlady (I now believe that we have two lives; the life we learn with and the life we live with after that.)
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To: Alter Kaker
If this were a vaccine for any other disease, I bet 90% of you wouldn't care. This is silly prudery masquerading as genuine concern.

For me, that statement is BS. I didn't get my kids the chickenpox and Hep B vaccines for all the same reasons that I don't want my daughter to get this one right now.

My mom was sterilized by the Dalkon Shield. My friend flipped out on Prozac and dumped her kids at a homeless shelter one morning.

"They" say a lot of things are safe. Then the product hits the masses and side effects that weren't apparent in the controlled trials float to the surface.

My daughter already has arthritis from Valley Fever and Lyme Disease. There's no way I'm exposing her anything that might make her condition worse. If, in ten years or so, she chooses to get the vaccine, I'll support her. Heck, my kids are in the process of getting the Hep B right now. Enough time has passed without a disaster that I'm comfortable with it.

I don't put my kids on the front lines. I'm a mom. It's my job to be cautious and skeptical.

159 posted on 02/09/2007 9:49:24 PM PST by Marie (Unintended consequences.)
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