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Austrian Cardinal Accuses America of Censorship in Evolution Debate (Judge Jones-Dover)
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 2/8/07 | Meg Jalsevac

Posted on 02/09/2007 6:20:45 AM PST by Nextrush

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"A truly liberal society would at least allow students of hear of the debate." Amen, Cardinal Schonborn.

The dislcaimer card and that's all the "intelligent design" that was to be presented in the classroom is exactly what the policy was designed to do.

To let students know there was a debate about evolution........

1 posted on 02/09/2007 6:20:47 AM PST by Nextrush
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"A truly liberal society would at least allow students to hear of the debate,"

The good Austrian cardinal is thanked for his input, and reminded that there is in fact no debate.

2 posted on 02/09/2007 6:23:05 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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They will never let creation be taught as the alternative. They would have to admit that God created the world. If you believe in God you believe in His word and his laws. That would destroy half or maybe even 90% of their liberal ways . Nope I don't see this happening.
3 posted on 02/09/2007 6:23:22 AM PST by betsyross1776
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To: Nextrush

The testimony at trial and the judge's opinion proves that the Discovery Institute attempted to perpetrate fraud upon the public; all they changed in the different editions of the textbook was to replace "creationism" to "intelligent design."


4 posted on 02/09/2007 6:23:30 AM PST by Remole
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To: Nextrush; jo kus

Got to hand it to the Austrian bishops, they got guts.


5 posted on 02/09/2007 6:24:04 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Nextrush

Nice of him to say so, although it's irrelevant. I think it would be more useful for him to mention the Catholic Church's position on Catholics' sending their children to atheist schools.


6 posted on 02/09/2007 6:25:53 AM PST by Tax-chick ("It is my life's labor to bring Christ to souls and souls to Christ through word and example.")
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To: Remole

The Discovery Institute was not a party to the Dover lawsuit, you know.


7 posted on 02/09/2007 6:28:53 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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Their heritage includes facing the Nazis head on.

Young Adolf himself talked back to the priest who taught him religion in an Austrian school and openly said he was a "free thinker."

Adolf got kicked out of that school but as you might remember he returned to Austria in 1938 and the church there was persecuted and repressed.

There was a serious side to "The Sound of Music," you know.


8 posted on 02/09/2007 6:33:32 AM PST by Nextrush (Chris Matthews Band: "I get high....I get high.....I get high....McCain.")
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To: Nextrush

Schnitzel with noodles (spaetzle, actually) is some SERIOUS stuff...


10 posted on 02/09/2007 6:42:57 AM PST by Notwithstanding (Post-9/11 Volunteer Active Duty OEF Vet Lawyer (who is too dumb to understand Kerry's apology))
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The "York Dispatch" has a story about Cardinal Schoenborn, too.

Cardinal: Dover intelligent design case stifles debate

Last paragraph:
Schoenborn affirmed that the Catholic Church rejects creationism, saying "the first page of the Bible is not a cosmological treatise about the coming to be of the world in six days." He also said that "the Catholic faith can accept" the possibility that God uses evolution as a tool. But he said science alone cannot explain the origins of the universe.

11 posted on 02/09/2007 6:48:48 AM PST by si tacuissem (.. lurker mansissem)
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The missing link :-)
12 posted on 02/09/2007 6:54:07 AM PST by si tacuissem (.. lurker mansissem)
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To: Mr. Lucky

I know they weren't. But the judge based his decision on the fact that both editions of the textbook amounted to the teaching of religion in a public school. And the changing of one word in a textbook did not satisfy the demands of the Supreme Court criteria on that point.


13 posted on 02/09/2007 6:59:41 AM PST by Remole
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Schnitzel with noodles (spaetzle, actually) is some SERIOUS stuff...

I feel heavier just thinking about it.

14 posted on 02/09/2007 7:11:55 AM PST by Tax-chick ("It is my life's labor to bring Christ to souls and souls to Christ through word and example.")
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To: Alter Kaker

These quotes look out of context. You should probably wait to see what Schonborn actually said. The good Cardinal past positions have not involved scientific Darwinism so much as they are a defense of traditional Church philosophy that there is a hierarchal nature to cause and effect.


15 posted on 02/09/2007 7:13:02 AM PST by Varda
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I see our friends in the Vatican are still positioned in the time period of 1535, and are lost. They have forgotten an interesting point, being: Who controls education - the left.

Look again friar tuck, and tell me what you see.

SS


16 posted on 02/09/2007 7:22:07 AM PST by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: Nextrush

14th centuary thinking is not open to debate. If you like it so much, go live with the Amish.


17 posted on 02/09/2007 7:23:09 AM PST by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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Their heritage includes facing the Nazis head on.

I'm going to stir something up here, but the Catholic Church never faced the Nazis head on. At various times it cooperated with, legitimized, aided, stood neutral with -- and, yes, opposed -- the Nazis. But never head on, at least from the Vatican. That said, there was a lot of heroism by priests and other church figures on the local level, but they were generally acting on their own initiative.

For the most part, the Church seemed too afraid of the Nazis to actively and directly oppose them. When the Church spoke up, it was generally in angry response to militarism and to the adoption of religious imagery by Hitler. But oddly, the Church was silent on the subject of the Jews and other victims of the Nazi terror.

18 posted on 02/09/2007 7:38:11 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Nextrush

Who knew there were still Christians in Austria.


19 posted on 02/09/2007 7:51:50 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Alter Kaker

Trolling again, I see.

The left has tried to discredit the Catholic Church at every turn, especially when the Church turns against the left.

Of course, Cardinal Pacelli (Pope John 23rd) was really a Nazi agent? Right.....

Take the exit ramp......


20 posted on 02/09/2007 7:52:47 AM PST by Nextrush (Chris Matthews Band: "I get high....I get high.....I get high....McCain.")
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