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To: quiverfull
Note to a revisionist sociologist:
For greater clarity, the life of society could be divided into three more or less autonomous areas [albeit they influence and penetrate one another]: 1. Economics; 2. Culture [everything man-made [excepting economics and sociology] in the life of that society - from national cuisine and architecture to arts, song, dance and pottery shards - the stuff of ethnologists and archaeologists. 3. Sociological [i.e. civilization proper] aspects - how that society exists and self-perpetuates as a sociologically distinct entity, i.e. how its members relate to one another and to their groups in socially important situations. Sociological aspects of "national character", value systems [weltanschauung] and dominant religions come right here. This is merely an elaboration of Huntington's thesis - he used the whole religion [and not only its sociological side] as a convenient marker. Such an elaboration is perfectly justified - Huntington did not split the Western Civ into Protestant civ[s] and a Catholic Civ, after all. Also, Israel [not a Christian country] is clearly a part of the Western Civ.
36 posted on 02/09/2007 8:35:42 AM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob
aaaahh, a true revisionist historian - but also a clever diversion of the topic. You state that "Toynbee was dead wrong" I may/may not believe all of what he found, but on this point he was dead right.

How then, was it that Native Americans (tribal cultures which comprised a primitive civilization as you say) fought against each other? Would you say that the cultures(or groups) were fighting within the primitive civilization? And for the record, the primitive civilization does not exist on reservations. If so, why are houses and automobiles used? Maybe some parts of that civilization, but it is infiltrated with the benefits of a Judeo Christian value system civilization - the United States of America.
37 posted on 02/09/2007 2:18:17 PM PST by quiverfull (If my one quiver is already full , and their's is 1.6 per quiver, how long before I win??)
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To: GSlob

For easier reading, Sociological aspects of a civilization affect economics - work ethic, desire to succeed etc. ; culture - Why are the old goverment buildings made of stone and marble, with majestic pillars? to reflect justice How about churches/cathedrals? to point to the majesty of God How about songs? Inner belief is brought forth How about dance? Inner feelings

Belief affects your economics and culture, whether man is the ultimate being or God.


42 posted on 02/09/2007 9:34:14 PM PST by quiverfull (If my one quiver is already full , and their's is 1.6 per quiver, how long before I win??)
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