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To: Kitten Festival; Dog Gone; dalereed; Grampa Dave

Ethanol = Unsustainable, subsidized, food burning, mileage ruining, non-pipelinable, corrosive, caustic, economically backward FRAUD!!!


14 posted on 02/08/2007 7:51:16 PM PST by SierraWasp (Grayout Davis, Gang-Green Schwartzenegger... Recycled Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown!!! Watch for it in 4!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

Before you all beat me up, I agree with every point youve made


18 posted on 02/08/2007 7:59:19 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: SierraWasp

All you said plus tell the enviros to go pound sand and start using the hundreds of years of oil that lie under California and off it's coast.


20 posted on 02/08/2007 8:00:53 PM PST by dalereed
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To: SierraWasp

Ethanol is a joke unless we start making it out of food.


21 posted on 02/08/2007 8:01:48 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: SierraWasp

Promoted by the RATS and the MSM in order to justify our insane energy policy of no new refineries, no ANWR drilling, and no nuke power.

There. I feel better, now.


103 posted on 02/09/2007 1:56:29 AM PST by thelastvirgil (Lest ye put all your faith in the government to provide for you, check their track record.)
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To: SierraWasp
Corn based ethanol gets us to E-10 nationally. At the current growth rate, we will be there in 2-3 years. 10% of the gasoline supply is not negligible. With cellulosic ethanol, biofuels can supply as much as 30% of current U.S. transportation fuel needs. That's based on projections of current feedstocks and technologies and it may be a substantial underestimate.

Remember that with ethanol, unlike oil, the feedstock is not fixed. The plant scientists have quadrupled average corn yields per acre since the Second World War. Give them 10-20 years to optimize feedstocks for fuel production and we might find that our current projections are quite low. Also remember that corn may very well be supplanted as the feedstock of choice. Cellulosic ethanol opens the door to using a very wide range of materials, and we have scarcely begun to survey the possibilities. There is, for example, discussion of algae and microbial production. The point is, no one really knows what the feedstock potential is. Projections of current feedstocks and technologies get us out to about 60 billion gallons a year (vs. about 140 billion gallons of gasoline that we currently burn). That may be a lower boundary.

Yes, we will have to build a new infrastructure to handle all this. That can be done if the scale of production warrants it. The key question is where the price of oil will be 20 years down the road. If $20 a barrel oil magically reappears, the whole range of emerging alternative fuels probably gets priced back off the market. If oil stays above $50, it's a new ballgame. If oil bumps up to an even higher plateau, you will be harvesting your backyard to sell the clippings.

What we are doing now is jumpstarting a high-potential new industry as a means of hedging against political and economic risk in the oil patch. Right now, our thirst for gasoline is financing most of the world's really bad people. I think it makes sense to aggressively explore a way of getting off that path.

113 posted on 02/09/2007 3:40:44 AM PST by sphinx
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To: SierraWasp

"Ethanol = Unsustainable, subsidized, food burning, mileage ruining, non-pipelinable, corrosive, caustic, economically backward FRAUD!!!"

As American farmers sell their corn and other ethanol producing crops for ethanol production to be sold at a high premium cost over regular old dirty oil, several situations will happen:

1. The 2nd and 3 rd world countries that depend on our corn and other cereal crops will become Sudans and hot beds of social unrest. America will be blamed for this green arrogance.

2. Corn syrup and other cereal by products will start a wave of inflation as the added costs of these by products impact so many food products.

3. Inflation in the fuel market will happen as the ethanol becomes more expensive each day due to market shortages of the corn and other products.


123 posted on 02/09/2007 10:42:33 AM PST by Grampa Dave (GW has more Honor and Integrity in his little finger than ALL of the losers on the "hate Bush" band)
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To: SierraWasp
Work Harder NOT Smarter...Effanol!
ETHANOL= Net loss of resources...
My uninitiated curriosity has been peaked by this seemingly obvious energy source:
http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/18138/

any learned opinions???
135 posted on 02/09/2007 11:59:02 PM PST by tman73 (GW has nuts...Dems don't)
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To: SierraWasp
Ethanol = Unsustainable, subsidized, food burning, mileage ruining, non-pipelinable, corrosive, caustic, economically backward FRAUD!!!

Don't forget soil-depleting, topsoil-erroding and chemical-fertilizer-polluting.

160 posted on 02/12/2007 1:47:14 PM PST by curiosity
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