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To: Luis Gonzalez
The first two are the 4th and 5th Amendments. Right to Vote isn't in the Constitution nor is it a Federal issue. Jury of peer, military, freedom of religion...

All there.

You aren't very good at this. You think these are "Constitutional Principles", but not the Second Amendment?

Kind of selective of you...

426 posted on 02/17/2007 12:45:03 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life; secondly, to liberty; thirdly to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. -- Samuel Adams

The whole of the Bill [of Rights] is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of. -- Albert Gallatin

In a free government, the security for civil rights must be the same as that for religious rights. It consists in the one case in the multiplicity of interests, and in the other in the multiplicity of sects. -- Alexander Hamilton

Bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression. -- Thomas Jefferson

"The best principles of our republic secure to all its citizens a perfect equality of rights." -- Thomas Jefferson

Jeeper. Ya' think maybe those Rights are supposed to be protected at all levels from any infringement at all? LOL...

430 posted on 02/17/2007 6:03:19 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Dead Corpse

THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution

RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.:

ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.


433 posted on 02/17/2007 6:42:26 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Dead Corpse
"The first two are the 4th and 5th Amendments."

The words "innocent until proven guilty" do not appear anywhere in the Amendments as anyone can see below, and neither do the words "right of privacy", as a matter of fact, none of the words/phrases in that list appear anywhere in the Constitution, yet you claim that they are there, and that I don't know what I'm talking about.

This on the same discussion where you turn demand that I show you the word "incorporation" in the Constitution as proof that the principle of "incorporation" is a Constitutional principle.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

"All there."

You couldn't be more wrong. None of the phrases in that list appear in the Constitution, yet they are all real Constitutional principles and accepted Constitutional practices...just like "incorporation."

You seem to have some kind of reading deficiency that makes you see words that are not there as it suits you argument.

Thanks for helping me prove my point.

P.S. I'm REAL good at this, and you're not.

435 posted on 02/18/2007 11:30:44 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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