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ATF Commerce in Firearms PDF Report (The War on the 2nd Amendment in the ATF's Own Words)
ATF Report ^ | February 2000 | Bureau Of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms

Posted on 02/08/2007 6:58:20 PM PST by Copernicus

ATF Commerce in Firearms PDF Report

The Gun Control Act of 1968 established the first comprehensive Federal licensing system for importers, manufacturers and dealers in firearms to the retail level. That system requires licensees to maintain detailed records on transactions in firearms, and subjects their business premises to inspection by the ATF.

From 1968 to 1993, THE PROCESS TO OBTAIN A FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSE WAS OVERLY SIMPLE. (emphasis added)

The annual fee WAS ONLY $10 for a license that authorized the person to ship, transport and receive firearms in interstate commerce and engage in retail sales. The statue required ATF to issue a license within 45 days to anyone who was 21 years old, had premises from which they intended to conduct business and who otherwise was not prohibited from possessing firearms.

The statute was designed TO LIMIT THE DISCRETION OF ATF IN DENYING LICENSES.

Over time the numbers of licensees began to swell until 1992 when the numbers reached over 284,000...............

In 1993, Congress increased the license application fee to $200 for three years.

Again, in 1994, Congress imposed requirements that applicants submit photographs and fingerprints to better enable ATF to identify applicants and new criteria that ensures that the business to be conducted would comply with all applicable State and local laws.....

From 1975 to 1992 the licensee population grew from 161,927 to 284,117...........

In 1993 and 1994, Congress added several safeguards to ensure only legitimate gun dealers obtain Federal licenses, including increased fees and certification requirements.

Following the ATF's implementation of those provisions the number of Federal firearms licensees DROPPED FROM 284,117 IN 1992 TO 103,942 IN 1999. OF THESE 80,570 ARE RETAIL DEALERS OR PAWNBROKERS.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; antigun; atf; bang; banglist; batf; batfe; government; gungrab; gungrabbers; rkba; thegang; totalitarians; tyranny
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To: robertpaulsen
That's possible, sure, depending on the FFL Type. But we were discussing a Type 1 FFL, Title 1 dealer. One who obtains an FFL to buy and sell guns, but only uses it to buy guns cheaply.

That's dishonest.

By whose moral code other than the one in your fevered imagination?

221 posted on 02/09/2007 7:55:53 PM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: robertpaulsen

You have a very strange view of "dishonesty". Getting a gun license and using it to buy guns is "dishonest"? Please try to explain that. You've talked yourself into a corner that you can't get out of.


222 posted on 02/09/2007 7:55:55 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

Check out his home page... he's the self-proclaimed "Morality Police". On this topic, things just aren't quite as black-and-white as he seems to think.


223 posted on 02/09/2007 8:00:31 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: robertpaulsen
TE: "it reveals your elitist urge to moralize what type of business model is acceptable to your personal sensibilities."

rp: Gosh I hope so.

As the Muslims and Marxists have discovered; the only way to enforce a fanatical elitist model of government and society is through deceit and force. Have you had any successful conversions or are you still goin' it alone?

224 posted on 02/09/2007 8:24:28 PM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: ozzymandus
Ok, I confess.

Your right, I'm a leftist anti-gun nut.

Two tours in RVN, consult for R's in DC, held a NYC and NYS CCW since 1971 (know how hard they are to get?) FL (first county, now state) CCW since 1966, Life member NRA, Safari Club, lecture for ILA, hunt 3-4 times a year. Own 7 handguns, including one certified to have been carried at OK-Corral, 5 rifles, three shotguns and 3 NFA weapons.

Yeah, right, I'm a leftie anti-gun nut.

And you wonder why the average citizens think some of us are irrational ?
225 posted on 02/09/2007 11:30:50 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: ozzymandus

PS, all NFA weapons are fully registered, tax stamps paid, legal, etc.


226 posted on 02/10/2007 12:05:31 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: ozzymandus

Apparently not using a license to its fullest is somehow dishonest.


227 posted on 02/10/2007 4:10:53 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: ctdonath2
"I can bypass the yellow-form and NICS check nonsense"

And this makes sense to you.

You'll submit a photo of yourself, give the government your fingerprints, submit to a background check, AND throw in 10 bucks a year in order to avoid "government interference" (ie., completing a simple yellow form) when you purchase a gun maybe once every ten years.

228 posted on 02/10/2007 5:29:08 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Dead Corpse
"So you attempt to justify a restriction of a Right with other restrictions on other Rights."

Justify? No. Simply to explain that there are constitutional reasonable restrictions on all our rights.

229 posted on 02/10/2007 5:33:54 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: MindBender26
Your individual RKBA is protected by your state constitution (which is why gun laws, like concealed carry, vary from state to state). California is one of, I believe, six states where the state constitution is silent on arms.

Because of that, there's nothing in the state constitution that would prevent the California legislature from banning all guns. If they did, however, there would probably be a federal constitutional challenge since the states are expected to defend the republic (via the organized and unorganized militias) and totally disarming the public would prevent that.

230 posted on 02/10/2007 5:44:24 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: ctdonath2
"The storefront requirement is not federal law. It's the BATFE that made that one up."

If it's not federal law, then how does a federal agency enforce it? What in the hell are you talking about -- the BATFE "made that one up"?

231 posted on 02/10/2007 5:48:02 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: ctdonath2
"The BATFE says an FFL has to have retail space."

And how do they enforce that "requirement"? You are so full of it. There is no federal law requiring you to have a storefront.

Give me a quote from the BATFE "saying" this. You can't. You're making things up.

What a joke.

232 posted on 02/10/2007 5:50:49 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen; ctdonath2
i>Give me a quote from the BATFE "saying" this. You can't. You're making things up.

No more than, and possibly considerably less than you've "made up" a Type 01 license saying you intent to sell the firearms you're buying.

233 posted on 02/10/2007 5:56:18 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: ctdonath2
"baselessly insulting small-time FFLs in sweeping terms"

Not I. Go back to post #31. HE said "a LOT"' of small-time FFLs are abusing the system.

You say it's only "a few", yet you cannot explain (without lying about required storefronts) why suddenly 230,000 FFLs went out of business.

(You have yet to admonish the poster who actually did the insulting. Hard to believe you're actually insulted.)

234 posted on 02/10/2007 5:56:56 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Not I. Go back to post #31. HE said "a LOT"' of small-time FFLs are abusing the system.

You have yet to establish that getting a Type 01 License to buy guns for personal use is "abusing the system". Who decided that?

235 posted on 02/10/2007 6:00:35 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: ctdonath2
"We were discussing why people got FFLs without being full-blown retail dealers."

Nope. Maybe you were because you're trying to squirm away from the debate, but starting at post #31 we were discussing those who get a Type 01 FFL simply to buy guns at wholesale.

"grossly bigoted view of that subset"

I call 'em as I see 'em. It's dishonest to acquire this license simply to buy guns for yourself at wholesale.

"You have absolutely shown no basis for holding that any number of them absolutely intended to NEVER sell guns"

Gee. Common sense doesn't qualify as a "basis"? If any of those 230,000 intended to buy and sell guns they would have kept their license, yes?

"If it is merely your opinion that most of a couple hundred thousand law-abiding citizens are "dishonest", fine."

That was, and is, my opinion.

236 posted on 02/10/2007 6:10:15 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: ctdonath2
"And you're trying to say those authorized to buy and sell are somehow "dishonest" if they choose to not actually do so."

Those who acquire the Type 01 license with no intention of buying and selling, yes. That's dishonest.

"which gets the same benefits that you're objecting to a Type 01"

Same benefits? A Type 03 allows you to buy a new gun wholesale from a manufacturer?

"I recommend you spend some serious time there"

I did, and couldn't find anything about the federal government, or the BATFE, requiring a storefront. You said a storefront is now a federal requirement, and that requirement drove these dealers out of the market.

That's a powerful claim. I'm simply asking you to either back it up with a link or retract it.

237 posted on 02/10/2007 6:17:38 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: The KG9 Kid
"You know, that's something that appears to be an A-to-B business agreement that you as 'C' have no business sticking your nose into."

I'm not allowed an opinion on the practice? This forum would be a ghost town if that's your attitude.

"In short, you're ticked that someone might be getting a discount on a purchase but you're all good with an unspecified amount of drinking alcohol behind the wheel of an automobile?"

In short, you're confused. There's more than one debate going on and you're smashing them together.

I'm not ticked. I simply made on observation and offered my opinion. An individual who acquires a license to buy and sell guns simply to buy guns at wholesale for himself is being dishonest. Not illegal. Dishonest. If you disagree and think this practice is just fine and dandy, I couldn't care less.

The other debate concerned a poster who adopted that attitude that who cares how many FFLs there are, they don't harm anyone. I agreed and said that neither do those who drink and drive.

Two different debates. Keep them separate if you're going to jump in.

238 posted on 02/10/2007 6:32:53 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: TigersEye
"By whose moral code other than the one in your fevered imagination?"

You don't see the dishonesty? Well, I certainly am not the one to explain it to you.

239 posted on 02/10/2007 6:35:26 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: ctdonath2
"with storefront and posted hours, fully complying with both the letter and anal-retentive spirit of the law"

Point out that "law" for me, would you? You keep referencing it. I can't find it.

240 posted on 02/10/2007 6:36:44 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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