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| February 2000
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Posted on 02/08/2007 6:58:20 PM PST by Copernicus
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Here is the status of the War on Guns as described by the Government itself.
Freepers may wish to meditate on the notion that there are approximately 104 thousand individuals who stand between liberty and tyranny.
How has it come to this in just one generation?
You may wish to "stock up before the hoarders arrive". (Old depression era joke)
Best regards to all
To: Copernicus
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posted on
02/08/2007 7:02:22 PM PST
by
PGalt
To: Joe Brower
Greetings! You might find this report to be of some interest.
Best regards,
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posted on
02/08/2007 7:03:58 PM PST
by
Copernicus
(A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
To: Copernicus
I won't be surprised to wake up one day to learn that only the ATF can sell guns.
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posted on
02/08/2007 7:27:55 PM PST
by
basil
(Exercise your Second Amendment rights--buy another gun today.)
To: Copernicus
>DROPPED FROM 284,117 IN 1992 TO 103,942 IN 1999. OF THESE 80,570 ARE RETAIL DEALERS OR PAWNBROKERS.
With all respect, this is an extremely foolish post. It only helps the anti-gunners.
Federal Firearms Licenses have nothing to do with possession, shooting, carry, etc. FFL holders are firearms dealers, either in the traditional retail trade or pawnbrokers who have reason to sell firearms that were pawned but not redeemed.
Only real question here is, why are there 103,942 FFLs out there when only 80,570 are dealers in either the retail or secondary markets?
Quite frankly, with America under a domestic assault, when we are being overrun with illegal immigrants, when there are undoubtedly Muslim extremists moving in through our open borders, when we know there are Muslim extremist cells here already, I'm glad they do not give just anyone the ability to sell firearms at the retail level.
That's all we need. Some wacko Islamic funneling guns to his radical brethren, and doing it with the advantages of having a FFL under the color of law.
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posted on
02/08/2007 7:29:30 PM PST
by
MindBender26
(Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
To: Copernicus
Don't know about this report, but I was on the BatFag site the other day to check some regs, and checked out their "History" page.
It appears to conveniently leave out the ENTIRE 1990's. Could it be they're ashamed of instigating the bogus raid with the falsified search warrant, that led to the unwarranted conflagration that killed great numbers of innocent men, women, and children?
That couldn't possible be the reason the 90's were left out, could it?
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posted on
02/08/2007 7:53:07 PM PST
by
DocH
(Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
To: MindBender26
That's all we need. Some wacko Islamic funneling guns to his radical brethren, and doing it with the advantages of having a FFL under the color of law. You, my freind, appear to be drinking the tasty koolaid the ATF and other anti-gun groups are handing out. Your statement is just as ridiculous as those that tried to get yet more Draconian gun control passed in the name of national security after documents were SUPPOSEDLY found in an Al Qaida training manual telling Jihadist's to buy guns at American gun shows.
The attempted anti-gun scare tactic went further, with the anti-gun WHACKOs saying that terrorists wanted to buy .50 caliber semi-auto weapons and use them to take out our infrastructure, airplanes, etc. (the RINO Kalifornia governor bit on this TRIPE and banned them, and the anti-gun likes of RINO-rudy would do the same on a national level, if given the chance).
ALL TOTAL B.S.
It was around this time that an ENTIRE SHIP, heading to Yassir Arafat's Palestinian Authority, was intercepted and FIFTY THOUSAND TONS of all sorts of military arms were seized!
To think Muslim extremists are shopping at U.S. gun shops or gun shows is LUDICROUS, and even if they WERE, there would be little more threat to the general population than, say, the gang bangers that already endanger citizens in most any big city in the country.
Whether the enemy is gangbangers, terrorists, or an out of control government, law-abiding citizens MUST be able to keep and bear arms in their own defense, as enumerated in the 2nd Amendment.
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posted on
02/08/2007 8:09:34 PM PST
by
DocH
(Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
To: DocH
To: A Strict Constructionist
hey ASC.
I know what LOL is, but I have to claim ignorance as to what "BTTT" means.
Can you help me out?
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posted on
02/08/2007 8:18:00 PM PST
by
DocH
(Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
To: DocH
I'm a novice myself, but here goes:
BTTT means: Bump To The Top (of the ping list)
ASC liked your post, and put it on his ping list by replying to it.
Hope that helps (and is correct).
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posted on
02/08/2007 8:30:21 PM PST
by
rbookward
(When 900 years old you are, type as well you will not!)
To: DocH
I'm confused.
A ping list is a bunch of folks you want to ping.
The 'My Comments' page accessed by the 'Pings' link is what I meant. Sorry for the confusion.
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posted on
02/08/2007 8:32:01 PM PST
by
rbookward
(When 900 years old you are, type as well you will not!)
To: Copernicus
Somebody (a president, most likely) needs to give the bureaucracy an attitude adjustment.
Its mission should be DEFENDING the 2A, not infringing it!
Imagine if they were given the mission of helping arms dealers set up their business, and helping them understand and comply with the law, and helping them find and access supplies of arms and ammo, and...you get the idea.
Instead we have some power-hungry, authority-grabbing, turf-expanding bureaucracy. Which is, of course, the natural state for such things.
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posted on
02/08/2007 8:38:09 PM PST
by
rbookward
(When 900 years old you are, type as well you will not!)
In Texas we can trade guns as we see fit. I don't know how it works in other states. I guess you'd probably have to show identification if you bought one in a store, but I can't swear to it as I've never done that.
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posted on
02/08/2007 8:50:19 PM PST
by
KarinG1
(Opinions expressed in this post are my own and do not necessarily represent those of sane people.)
To: basil
But anyone with a lathe can still make them....
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posted on
02/08/2007 8:51:41 PM PST
by
donmeaker
(The speed of light is 186,234 miles per second. Not just a good idea, its the LAW!)
To: MindBender26
Quite frankly, with America under a domestic assault, when we are being overrun with illegal immigrants, when there are undoubtedly Muslim extremists moving in through our open borders, when we know there are Muslim extremist cells here already, I'm glad they do not give just anyone the ability to sell firearms at the retail level. Do you have any evidence whatsoever that the people with FFLs who do not engage in storefront sales are harming anyone in any fashion whatsoever (aside from making Brady et al. nervous, of course)?
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posted on
02/08/2007 9:19:55 PM PST
by
supercat
(Sony delenda est.)
To: DocH
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posted on
02/08/2007 9:20:44 PM PST
by
TigersEye
(Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
To: rbookward; DocH
Close but not quite. BTTT does mean 'bump to the top.' The top that it bumps to is the "latest posts" page. Every time anyone posts that post goes to the top of the 'latest posts' page. Of course you have to refresh the page to see what is latest.
Latest Posts
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posted on
02/08/2007 9:25:20 PM PST
by
TigersEye
(Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
To: Copernicus
To: MindBender26
Only real question here is, why are there 103,942 FFLs out there when only 80,570 are dealers in either the retail or secondary markets? Curio and relic licenses. class 3. The government created it in 1968. You can't sell with it.
To: DocH
I always translate it as boy thats the truth.
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