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To: BenLurkin; Leftism is Mentally Deranged; NickatNite2003; dangerdoc
"The Hydrogen Hoax"

"Unfortunately, it’s all pure bunk. To get serious about energy policy, America needs to abandon, once and for all, the false promise of the hydrogen age."

"The idea of hydrogen as the fuel of the future dates back to Jules Verne, and by the 1930s was a staple of science fiction."

"The Trouble with Hydrogen Cars"

This guy sounds like a promoter of the oil companies or has some other problem.

The way to not be concerned about carbon production is to generate hydrogen from WATER using nuclear energy.

All energy production processes are inefficient. The moron doesn't say that the efficiency of turning oil into gasoline is probably 30-40%. Meaning, you need to use energy to produce energy. This is not rocket science. It is basic thermodynamics.

66 posted on 02/08/2007 2:33:13 PM PST by tom h
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To: tom h

I vaguely remember from HS chem class the process of turning coal into coal-gas (used to do it at a local power plant years before). I can't remember why, except for possible convenience, since part of the lesson was on not getting something for nothing, calorie-wise


68 posted on 02/08/2007 2:56:18 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: tom h
The way to not be concerned about carbon production is to generate hydrogen from WATER using nuclear energy.

Try reading the whole article before calling the author a moron. While he may be a moron, and you may disagree with his conclusions, he addressed your point quite fully.

Thank you for at least recognizing that hydrogen is not an energy source. It is an energy storage mechanism, essentially a battery.

69 posted on 02/08/2007 2:59:33 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: tom h

Read ALL the article. The author gets into the storage, transportation & energy conversion of hydrogen. The obstacles are enormous.


72 posted on 02/08/2007 3:07:55 PM PST by Tallguy
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To: tom h

The problem is thermodynamics. Gasoline is delivered to the gas station in trucks. You can only cantain a relatively small amount of hydrogen in a Semitruck sized load. So small you burn nearly half the equivalent energy delivering it and requiring something like 10 times more delivery vehicles. And those trucks will be burning diesel.

Even if you could make the hydrogen for nearly free, it is going to be very expensive by the time it is in your tank.


88 posted on 02/08/2007 5:28:46 PM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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